Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia, his family and descendants

[Eric_Lowe]

There is some talk of Lulu being gay too ? But I think even if that is true, it is more likely bisexual as he had enough sons to prove that he love being with his wife...Just like Grand Duke Konstantin or KP.

[Kalafrana]

We have been through this before, and not all that long ago.

You need to produce some evidence.

Ann

[Kalafrana]

To some, it seems, any man who did not marry, or had a childless marriage, was homosexual, and any who had an apparently happy marriage and a large family must have been bisexual.

In the case of KR, we have the evidence from his diaries, but for the rest you need to produce something more than gossip.

Ann

[Vecchiolarry]

Dear Ann,

I agree with you full force...

The gossip granny on this web site, who calls everybody by their nicknames (as if he knows them personally) is rife to name all and sundry as homosexual, bisexual, a trouble maker or a stupid cow;  and doesn't have more evidence than crassness to prove anything.

These people are dead and cannot defend themselves with the truth.  It seems now that the world clamps onto gossip from the media and just plain jealous troublemakers to defame everybody whos gone...
Try to find out what these people did that was beneficial to humanity - and publicize that;  or is that too boring?

Larry

[Kalafrana]

Larry

Or just try to find out what they actually did and what they were like - or is that too boring?

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

I think the case for Louis Ferdinand was that most people found him "soft" and some of his male cousins found his friendliness gushing. However I do agree the case require more investigation.

[Kalafrana]

I don't know a great deal about LF, but if he was a kind and gentle person that doesn't make him homosexual. Neither does being a bit gushingly friendly - perhaps his male cousins were simply used to people who were a bit more stiff-backed in their manners.

Ann

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi,

Some personal information, that is gossipy but true:
The French actress, Lily Damita, whom I knew personally, told a group at a dinner party that Louis Ferdinand had been her lover.  She was once married to Errol Flynn and he too was rumoured to be homosexual and bisexual after his death;  as well as being a Nazi spy.

All of this is titillating but unprovable;  and probably not true - it just sells newspapers and magazines to the bored and boring and ignorant...
Once someone is dead, anything can be gossiped about them - unfortunately....

Now back to Louis Ferdinand, his family and descendants - - what can we say positively about them???

Larry

[Eric_Lowe]

The romance between Lily Damita was true and he admitted it in his own biography "the Rebel Prince". He was going nowhere with her until being advised by his employer Henry Ford and grandfather to go back and settled down since his elder brother Wilhelm married morganetically and it was his "duty" to marry and in time to succeed his father being the head of the family.

I think there is more to it about LF, but it will need more investigation. The cousin who found him "soft" was an older female cousin.

[Marc]

morganetically

What is morganetically?

[Превед]

Нет не, но на, Эрик. :-)
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Net ne, no na, Eric.

If he had married her morganatically, she could have used the title of her role in "The Queen was in the Parlour": Prinzessin von Kraya. Sounds lovely bogus and perhaps Ruritarian > Ruthenian > Ukrainian + Края = borderlands.

[Eric_Lowe]

You mean Princess Lily ?

[Превед]

You mean Princess Lily ?

Yup.

[Eric_Lowe]

Don't think that would happen. His sister-in-law Dorothy Salvilati (wife of Prinz Wilhelm of Prussia) was a countess I think. Lily would have been that too.

[Превед]

Don't think that would happen. His sister-in-law Dorothy Salvilati (wife of Prinz Wilhelm of Prussia) was a countess I think. Lily would have been that too.

Areyou thinking of Countess Auguste von Harrach being made Princess of Liegnitz as morgantic spouse of Friedrich Wilhelm III?

I can't find any evidence of Dorothea von Salviati (an untitled noblewoman) being made a countess by the exiled Kaiser. Despite many post-1918 Hohenzollern marriages (at first) deemed unequal there doesn't seem to have been any invented courtesy titles for the spouses or the children of unequal marriages. Probably because of the German law with titles as surnames and which automatically gives spouses and children the same title as surname. It's just the inofficial HRH and social recognisation (in Germany's tightly knit Hochadel) whch they don't get.