Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia, his family and descendants

[HerrKaiser]

I agree...So I do not understand families instance on equal marriages. The Russian case springs into mind.

Perhaps for the same reason they cling to Imperial titles when there hasn't been a German, Austrian or Russian Empire in almost 100 years and it's highly unlikely there ever will be again. In this case, though, it was set down decades ago by the late Wilhem II. I doubt George Friedrich will insist on such clauses in the future but you never know.

Since the will was contested for so long, does that mean it was first contested while Louis Ferdinand was still alive since he died less than 20 years ago?  Marlene had mentioned that one of the sons told LF that he would challenge it but were the lawsuits instituted prior to his death? If so--a little disrespectful to say the least. The sons knew the rules beforehand and their father had well-compensated them. I wonder, since GF inherited the bulk and he had money issues as a result of the trials, how if affected the uncles financially? They would've had less going in so it was pretty foolish to use what you did have (which wasn't too shabby) just trying to get more and failing.

I have not rechecked the information I have on this, but my recollection is that the lawsuits were filed after LF senior passed in 1994. I remember thinking that the money-grab was particularly tacky due to being raised legally after LF died when he obviously could not mediate.

Two morals to this sad story--it pays to think long and hard about deals you make that are final and stamped in concrete, especially under the trance of "love". Secondly, no good ever comes from family money quarrels that end up in litigation.

I feel particularly sorry for Georg Friedrich because it seems he was raised to be a self-supporting man who is also trying to do the right thing for his family's heritage and long term stability. His father and grandfather would be impressed with the life he has created and continues to pursue.

[Eric_Lowe]

i read somewhere that rumored that Louis Ferdinand may be gay. Not sure about that...

[HerrKaiser]

i read somewhere that rumored that Louis Ferdinand may be gay. Not sure about that...

since about the mid 1970s, nearly every nice looking celebrity or public figure was rumored 'somewhere' by 'someone' to possibly be gay. Tons of suppositions. Whatever the reasons for such rumors--insecurity, wishful thinking, etc--rumors are rumors. LF had a large family, successful career in the spotlight, and no intimacies with men validated by any source.

Even if one were to hypothecize based on behaviors or appearances, LF's persuasions would be less questionable than those of his father and grandfather, imho. 

[Eric_Lowe]

True although one must also remember his cousin Grand Duke Konstantine also have had many children but still got to do double duty. Not to mention Ernie of Hesse.

[HerrKaiser]

True although one must also remember his cousin Grand Duke Konstantine also have had many children but still got to do double duty. Not to mention Ernie of Hesse.

yes, but both with signficant evidence. Not so with LF.

[Kalafrana]

Herr Kaiser

I agree about Georg Friedrich. He lost his father very young, and almost as soon as he reached adulthood he was faced with a long and bitter lawsuit brought by his uncles. I hope he and his wife are now enjoying a settled married life with their twin boys.

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

He is a very charming man with a nice smile. He spoke on camera too about his ancestor heritage. Seems like a genuine person. :-)

[KarlandZita]

Engagement of Kyra and Louis Ferdinand :

[bongo]

When I was a university student I used to work part time in a shop. The little old lady who worked in the antique shop next door used to come in all the time for a chat and a smoke. It turned out that she'd once lived the dream that Sally Bowles in Cabaret wanted: Max Reinhardt had taken her from London and put her on the pre-WW2 Berlin stage in the musical comedy smash hit Mister Cinders.

She spent ages waxing lyrical about Weimar Berlin "Oh darling, the most decadent city in Europe!": how they would have to extend intermission while the chorus girls earned extra from customers in the gardens, going to the famous Eldorado nightclub to view the latest Paris fashions on the trannies who leaned on the glass staircase, and not least, "the wonderful parties at the apartment of the Crown Prince's boyfriend".

Has anyone any more information on this fellow? He must have been quite well known as she said that everyone who was anyone came "He always gave the best parties".

(Oh, and if anyone can find a cast list of the Berlin production of Mister Cinders, I'd love to know the full name of the little old lady. I never did ask her!)

[Kalafrana]

Could the lady have mixed up the Crown Prince with his brother Eitel Friedrich?

Ann

[Превед]

It seems that the Crown Prince's playboy style and the accompanying rumours confused many people. I too always assumed he was gay, but can't seem to find any direct mention of this by any biographical sources.

[HerrKaiser]

It seems that the Crown Prince's playboy style and the accompanying rumours confused many people. I too always assumed he was gay, but can't seem to find any direct mention of this by any biographical sources.

Correct, no mention about this in his biographies that I've seen either, but he was a 'player', as they say. Ann may be correct as well that this mystery woman may have confused "prince" with "crown prince", after all it was very much post-royalty, and if the lady led the life suggested by Bongo, who knows what she may have gotten confused?

That said, some of the photos posted of CP Wilhelm on threads here make him look as gay as pink ink. But, we can't judge a book by its cover.

Also, I'm surprised that the term of endearment "tranny" was used by the lady in that it was not quite yet crafted for slang use in Weimar Germany, was it?  The old slangs for transvestites were TVs, dolls, ladyboys, and mollies.

[Kalafrana]

I haven't researched the subject at all, but everything I've read relating to the Crown Prince suggests that he was quite a womaniser, not the reverse. I did read somewhere that he actually died while in bed with a mistress (presumably from a heart attack).

Ann

[HerrKaiser]

I haven't researched the subject at all, but everything I've read relating to the Crown Prince suggests that he was quite a womaniser, not the reverse. I did read somewhere that he actually died while in bed with a mistress (presumably from a heart attack).

Ann

This is the known record, yes. In fact, his wife Cecilie, was essentially estranged from him for his womanizing although remained married.

[bongo]

The tranny abbreviation was me, not her. (She said transvestites. She said the trannies at the Eldorado were very chic and always wore the very latest Paris fashions: one went there to find out what was current). She was a luvvie and a lady, but a bohemian one. But I can't go ask her if she meant Louis or Cecile's husband, as it was the 1970s when I met her, a tiny wizened chain smoker wafting "darlings", so I'm sure she would be long dead. But her description of the Eldorado and the famous staircase was certainly accurate as I later learnt, so I doubt she would have got a startling detail like 'the Crown Prince's boyfriend' wrong. It was a pretty eyebrow raising thing to say even in the 70s - especially coming from a little old lady.