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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2005, 01:00:05 PM »
How tragic that she died so young . . . she was quite a character (as evidenced by that story about the parrot!  ;)). At least she was realistic about her childlessness . . . it's a shame that her doctors probably killed her!  :(
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2005, 01:01:55 PM »
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I didn't know Anne had stayed in France!

And about Carlos, imagine that poor creature, stupid as he was, doing what he was expected to do! And it was fun! So he probably saw no problem in telling everyone whatb he had achieved!

And about Monsieur hitting Minette, she also hit him in public and remember in those times women had no right to do that! DShe also mocked him because of his "mignons". But that was during the first years of their marriage, in the end they finished by tolerating and even feeling affection for each other!

Yes, Anne had an eye condition, and spent some time with her grandmother Henrietta Maria in France. when the redoubtalbe old queen died, she stayed with Minette and family for a while . . .

I know Minette was partly to blame for her bad marriage with Philippe, but I'm inclined to be more sympathetic to her . . . still, he can't have been too bad if Liselotte put up with him alright . . .
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2005, 01:14:14 PM »
Can you tell me approximately between what years was Anne in Paris??

Well, Philippe also had hgis differences with Liselotte, but his second wife was much more intelligent than Minette in that sense and she resigned to the fact that Philippe had loved, was loving and would always love men and not women. But they also had violent arguments, as when some of her husbands mignons told Monsieur that she was having an affair. He was absolutely infuriated with this gossip and wanted an explanation. Things finally got better and they became good friends, but not everything was easy for them at a start!
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2005, 01:17:58 PM »
Well, and this is very approximate - she was born in 1665, and I think was sent to France to her grandmother in about 1667 or 1668. when Henrietta Maria died in 1669, Anne went to Minette. She returned to England in 1673, so she can't have been there more than a year . . .
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2005, 05:24:12 AM »


Here is what you asked for, Blanche!


Born as Elisabeth Anne de Bourbon on the 22nd November 1603 in Fontainebleau Palace, she was the second child of King Henry IV of France and his second wife, Marie dei Medici. She had an older brother, Louis, and she would be followed by Marie Christine, future wife of Vittorio Amedeo I of Savoia; Nicholas, who died being a child; Gaston, the rebellious Duke of Orleans; and Henrietta Maria, future wife of Charles I Stuart. Isabel also had 12 other half-siblings born to her father's mistresses.

She was brought up in a strange atmosphere, living in the same palace with her parents and brothers and sisters plus her father's first wife, Margot, and her father's mistresses and bastards. This way of life would continue until her father's murder by the fanatic Jean François Ravaillac in 1610. Her brother Louis XIII became King and her mother was the Regent of France. Her mother started again the negotiations for a Spanish marriage which had been broken by Henry IV. Louis XIII would marry infanta Ana Mauricia of Spain, and Elisabeth would marry Felipe Domingo, Prince of the Asturias. On October 18th, 1615, Elisabeth's marriage to Felipe took place in Bourdeaux. The same day, in Burgos, Louis XIII made of Ana Mauricia his Queen. Both princesses met each other on the frontier of France and Spain, the Princess exchange had been successfully made.

Elisabeth was now called Isabel, a name she used to say was much more beautiful and melodic than her original Elisabeth. She was not yet 12 when she married and the groom was just 10, so the consummation of the marriage had to wait. Isabel was very happy in Spain, as the Royal family was much more united than that of Isabel's. She was very close to her father-in-law, King Felipe III and to her sister-in-law infanta María.

The Princes of the Asturias, Felipe and Isabel, were only allowed to consummate their marriage on November 22, 1620, when Isabel celebrated her 17th birthday and Felipe being just 15 years old. Two weeks later, Isabel announced to her husband that she was pregnant (they were quick, weren't they?). Felipe III had been ill but he was very happy with the news of his near grandfatherhood. However, the King, who was just 43, grew increasingly ill and died on March 31st, 1621. He left on the throne a young boy of not yet sixteen and a young pregnant girl of seventeen.

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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2005, 06:03:49 AM »


The reign started quite well, with the new King getting involved, making a difference between his father and him, in the Government of his huge empire. He already was very influenced by Gaspar de Guzmán y Pimentel, conde-duque of Olivares (should I be writing count-duke??), but Olivares hadn't yet become the "true" king. The first baby of the Royal couple was born on August 14, 1621 and it was a girl. She seemed quite feeble, so she was quickly baptised with the names of Margarita María (to honour Felipe and Isabel's mothers), but the infanta died after 25 hours. Another baby girl would follow on 1623, called Margarita María Catalina, but she just lived for a month.

Felipe was very much in love with Isabel, as she was beautiful, intelligent, witty, charming and she had political intelligence, something that would have been very useful to Felipe if Olivares hadn't inhibited the Queen's desire of advising Felipe and Felipe's wish of having his wife by his side. Gradually, Olivares took control over the King's conscience and over the Queen's freedom. He organised many hunts fot the King and also many many nights with prostitutes and parties for the King. Felipe loved Isabel, but he couldn't help with his sexual nature, he needed more and more. When he died in 1665 he would have produced 13 legitimate children and at least 30 bastards!!

Isabel didn't complain as long as he was respectful and discreet towards her. In 1625 another girl was born, María Eugenia. It seemed this baby would survive, but she also died, in 1627, leaving her parents in an absolut grief. The year previous Isabel had miscarried another girl, but in this year of 1627 she was pregnant again. Four months after María Eugenia's death she gave birth to another daughter, Isabel María Teresa, who just survived two days. Felipe and Isabel were begining to feel really concerned because all of their offspring had dissapeared. Then, in March 1629, Isabel anounced Felipe she was again pregnant. Soon after, on April 7th, the King had his first son, but the mother was not Isabel. The mother of this child was a 17-year old actress , María Inés Calderón, "la Calderona", who had captivated the King for more than a year. The baby was called Juan José de Austria. When Isabel heard this news, she was desperate. She was not able to give Felipe a single healthy child and his mistresses were giving him plenty!

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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2005, 06:07:09 AM »
How unusual that she was older than her husband . . . the poor woman had so many dead children!  :(
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2005, 06:20:22 AM »
But Isabel's time had come. On the 17th October 1629 she gave birth to a healthy baby son who was called Baltasar Carlos Domingo Lucas Felipe. It was her greatest triumph after 14 years, more than half of her life, living in Spain. There were some years in which Isabel didn't get pregnant, partly because felipe was away many times, as Cataluña and Portugal were giving him many head aches! Then, in 1635, Isabel gave birth to another girl, María Antonia Dominica Jacinta, who quickly became the apple of her father's eye, only to die aged two, in 1637. Isabel had just become pregnant when María Antonia died, giving birth to another baby girl, María Teresa, on September 20th, 1638. Of the rest of her pregnancies, no more children will be born. Isabel miscarried a girl in 1640, a foetus of 2 months in 1642 and a boy in 1644.

Spain's situation was growing more unstable each day. Olivares had good intentions, he was not a corrupt ruler as Felipe III's valido, the Duke of Lerma, had been. But he wasn't succesful in his campaigns, nor in his politics both in the country and internatinally speaking. In 1643, Isabel went to talk to Felipe qwith her son Baltasar by her hand. She told her husband that if he wanted to give his vast empire entirely to his son, then he should be thinking in dismissing Olivares. Felipe was amazed by his wife's character and political views, as she gave him so many reasons, that Felipe dismissed Olivares that same night. Felipe started to rule again on his own with Isabel by his side and Spain started to grow again!

Some months after this event, Felipe recognised his bastard son, Juan José of Austria, and he gave him a royal residence (the Zarzuela Palace). One day, when Isabel was with her ladies-in-waiting, she received a message from the King in which he recognised Juan José as his son. The message said that the Queen should adress her stepson as "son" and Baltasar and María Teresa should call him "brother". Isabel, furious by what she considered an affront (oh, it surely was!) said to her ladies-in-waiting: "Oh, of course I will call the bastard son, I will call him son of a b!tch". Then, she shut her door to her husband for a while, until she forgave him. By the way, Baltasar called his half-brother Don Juanísimo, laughing at his ambitious character.

When Isabel died of erysipelas on the 6th October 1644, Felipe was in Cataluña and couldn't get to her death bed in time. He retired to a monastery for some time and declared that, as he had a son and heir, he would never marry again. He wrote to one of his most important advisors, the nun Sister Maria of Agreda: "I am full of unbearing grief, as in one person I have lost everything I could lose in this earthly world". Well, his statement proved wrong... two years later Baltasar died and Felipe had to marry again, this time the bride was his teenager (could say a girl) niece Mariana of Austria. But that is another story...


I hope you have all liked it!
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2005, 06:24:54 AM »
I certainly enjoyed it umigon! But you might want to change 'pregnant dog' to b!tch.  ;D

The Hapsburg queens of Spain seem to have been very interesting women . . .
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2005, 06:30:06 AM »
Ha ha ha! It was quite odd reading don Juan José was the son of a pregnant dog!

thanks prince!

Well, I suppose they were. The Bourbon queens are all fascinating also... but then ,with such a duty as being queen or king, who wouldn't be fascinating!??

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2005, 06:37:45 AM »
Fascinating, yes, but the Spanish queens seem to have had real character - which I suppose one would need to survive in the cutthroat political climate of 16th and 17th century Spain!  8)
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2005, 06:54:23 AM »


Yes, I suppose many of them had a great character Isabella of Castile, Isabel of Portugal, Mary Tudor, Margarita of Austria, Isabel of Bourbon, Mariana of Austria and Mariana of Neuburg... then if they were intelligent or not or if they were good persons, that's another story!

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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2005, 03:19:59 PM »
Yes, Daniela, that portrait is of María Luisa, or at least I have seen it labeled as her many times. Curiously I have never seen it in a Spanish biography of this queen, so maybe someone could clear this issue to us!
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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2005, 06:24:26 AM »
Well, I've found this portrait on this link:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans1.htm


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Re: Spanish Habsburg Queens
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2005, 04:11:19 PM »
Felipe IV, Isabel's husband, was the more prolific Spanish King we ever had. He had 13 legitimate children plus 30 bastards. Here is the info I have on the illegitimate children, that should have to be summed up to Isabel de Borbón's children (two survivors: Baltasar and María Teresa), and those of Mariana of Austria (another two survivors: Margarita and Carlos II):


1. Margarita de Austria (1625-1650), born to Philip and a young woman from Madrid whose name is unknown. She was a nun since 1641 in the Descalzas Reales Convent in Madrid.

2. Francisco Fernando Isidro de Austria (1626-1634), born to Philip and María de Chirel (1607-1626). He died being a little boy and he was posthumously recognized, as he was buried in El Escorial Monastery.

3. Juan José de Austria (1629-1679), born to Philip and one of his favourite lovers, the actress María Inés Calderón y Velasco (1611-1676), ''La Calderona''. Juan José was Viceroy of Cataluña and Naples and some kind of ''Primer Minister'' in Spain during Charles II's (his half-brother) reign (1677-1679). He had three illegitimate daughters, all of them nuns and died without offspring.  

4. Domingo de San Cristóbal (1631-1683), born to Philip and a woman from Calahorra whose name is unknown. He was an Agustinian monk since 1649.

5. Alfonso Enríquez de Santo Tomás (1634-1692), born to Philip and Tomasa Aldana (1617-1676). He was Bishop of Osma (1653-1692), Plasencia (1657-1692) and Málaga (1664-1692).

6. Juan Cossío del Sacramento (1640-1701), born to Philip and Teresa Aldana (1620-1664), who was sister of another of Philip's mistresses. Juan was an Agustinian monk since 1655.

7. A son named Carlos whose fate and mother are unknown.

8. Alonso Antonio de San Martín (1636-170, born to Philip and Mariana Pérez de Cuevas. Monk since 1650, Bishop of Oviedo (1656-1664) and Bishop of Cuenca (1664-170.

9. Fernando Valdés y de Uribeondo (1638-1702), born to Philip and Ana María de Uribeondo (1620-1703). Governor of Novara since 1661, he married Anna Maria di Capece (1642-1685) in 1660. I don't know if they ever had children.  

10. Ana Margarita de Austria (1641-1699), born to Philip and Margarita del Escala (1625-1699). She was a nun since 1656.


As I have said Philip had another 20 illegitimate children, but I have no information about them!