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Finelly

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #120 on: July 24, 2005, 11:11:32 PM »
JonC -

So you basically, without actually having access to the books in question, accused a published author of inventing facts.  And then you ask other people to locate the books in question to speed up your ability to prove or disprove your own accusation.  And in the meantime you refuse to apologize for publically insulting the author.

Some day in your life, you will be accused of committing a wrong.  At least once, the accusation will be based on an assumption by an ignorant person.  When that day comes, I hope you remember this incident.

I have the books you are seeking.  I  am now going to decline your request to find the info you accuse Mr. King of inventing.  And in the event that he decides to sue you for libel, I'll be happy to be of assistance.  

lexi4

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #121 on: July 24, 2005, 11:45:58 PM »
My crystal ball is warning of another locked thread.

JonC

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2005, 12:12:15 AM »
Finelly...!

I have done my work! I have read those books! I gave Greg the courtesy of reviewing my notes by re-reading the said books in the hope that I was wrong. I am waiting for my books.

My present conclusion is that there is no page reference given by Noel. That Greg used Noel's reference without checking Princess Alice's letters to verify Noel's work. A mistake is a mistake. I am not saying Greg did it maliciously. He relied on Noel's accuracy.

When an author does this he runs the risk of adding information that doesn't exist in the original text.

Finelly you sound like that gossip that stands, from a distance, between two unintentioned rivals to see how much blood you can make each one shed from the other. Back off Finelly! Go stir someone else's pot!
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Finelly

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2005, 01:21:00 AM »
This is my final comment.  I do not wish to disrupt this thread.  
After this comment, i will ignore anything that JonC posts, as I consider him to be malicious.

One cannot hide behind "didn't intend to insult" and "thought he just made a mistake" when one states, to a published author, "I think you made it up."  It's a blatant lie.

Now, on to better topics.  Related, I believe, to noses.

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2005, 11:46:48 AM »
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Finelly...

I believe its still a little premature for me to appologize.  I haven't had the chance to proof my notes on this subject. I promised I would appologize if I were wrong and I will.  


It was also "a little premature" for you to accuse Greg of "making it up."

It seems to me that you came to your conclusion -- that Greg was lying -- first, and now you're doing your research in an attempt to support that conclusion.  That's putting the cart before the horse: If you had been acting correctly, you would have done a little research -- even contacting Mr Noel's side if you had to -- and you would have "proofed your notes"  before levelling professional accusations against an author.

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Finelly I understand Greg was insulted. Still I believe anyone has the right to criticize, with facts, a published book. My facts are that I can't find the reference Noel used...


So, the fact is that you have no facts at this point.  According to your own assertion above, you should be criticizing the book "with facts."  Where are they?  You should bring them to the table with your accusation.  You should have contacted Mr Noel and asked him for clarification.  You could also have contacted Windsor Archives and the Staatsarchiv Darmstadt for information.

But you didn't.  You came here and you "criticized" without facts.  Perhaps you don't realize this, but unfounded accusations of this sort can damage an author's reputation -- especially one working in the field of historical biography.  And this, in turn, can damage the author's livelihood.  Did you really mean to attack Greg's ability to make a living just because you can't find a reference made in a book he didn't write?

Unbelievable.


lexi4

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #125 on: July 25, 2005, 04:51:58 PM »
So, how about AA's nose????? ;D

JonC

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #126 on: July 25, 2005, 06:41:06 PM »
Finelly...! I believe the malicious one is you.

I will definitely enjoin you in establishing a mutual moratorium against communicating with each other. Thank You!

Penny,

You are right. I should have thought wisely and if I intended ( and I should have realized that my initial accusation would appear as a deliberate intended attack on Greg) to attack Greg I should have definitely had the books in my possession to quote from immediately. I, though, had no such thought in mind.

Nevertheless its been done and I am sorry that it was done that way, BUT, I deferred to reading the books requested from the library because I wanted to make sure I didn't compound a situation needlessly.

My notes which I made sometime ago specifically mention that there was no reference in Princess Alice's letters that the baby ever kicked or that she felt the baby comming to life or that she was pregnant at all. I have asked everyone reading these posts including Greg to show the Forum where in Alice's writings I, we, anyone can find this information.

Why are you and others getting all indignant and threatening. I promised Greg that I would appologize if he tells me the page(s) number(s) that he got this info., not from Noel's book which he did but from Alice's writings.

I would be happy for him and appologize repeatedly. JonC.
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lexi4

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #127 on: July 25, 2005, 06:46:09 PM »
I'll try again.....
About those noses? Remember those? Before this thread gets locked down too.

Inquiring_Mind

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #128 on: July 25, 2005, 07:07:21 PM »
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I'll try again.....
About those noses? Remember those? Before this thread gets locked down too.


Noses....very few people like theirs. So unique to an individual and/or their plastic surgeon :P

I looked at all our noses recently at a family gathering and decided none looked alike and I had the nicest one ;D





Finelly

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #129 on: July 25, 2005, 10:23:51 PM »
I have Lexi's nose.  And I have hidden it and won't tell anyone where it is.

lexi4

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2005, 10:34:58 PM »
You might as well tell Finelly, it doesn't match AA or FS's nose.

Finelly

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #131 on: July 25, 2005, 10:48:53 PM »
True, but it bears a striking resemblence to the FA's nose.


JonC

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2005, 11:02:26 PM »
Greg,

I asked the FA for guidance on how to proceed with this in pm but I have not received any reply.

I want to tell you that I am not looking to harm your career or anything about you at all. I nevertheless have personal, historical and professional reasons to get at the truth concerning Alice's pregnancy. I would also like someday, soon I hope, to write my own ideas down about the Romanovs.

I have received the book 'Princess Alice, Queen Victoria's forgotten daughter, by Gerard Noel. On page 175 Noel writes;

" And on 12 December, when anxiety over the Prince of Wales was at its highest point, she wrote to Louis: ' I think the child is coming to life; If only this does not harm it.' "

In your book you quote the above from Noel's book and ad that Alice felt the baby ' kicking'. Noel references a letter written by Alice dated 12th December 1871 where he got his information but doesn't say where that specific letter can be found. Do you know where it could be found?

I still haven't received the second book with Alice's letters. Hopefully I will find in it the letter written on the 12th of December to her husband Louis.

I would still like to know where you got that the baby was 'kicking'. It would mean a lot to me. You can pm me if you like, in confidence. JonC.
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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #133 on: July 31, 2005, 07:23:29 PM »
I don't think Greg plans on returning here soon, so, back to the dull and boring NOSES.

I remember the first time I traveled to Germany  I hoped  I'd reconize relatives by their noses which is quite dominate in our family.  No luck in the village of origin even thought family still lives in this village.  Needless to say, I was Ssssssoooooooo disapointed,  u-n-t-i-l  I saw a bronz figure of a woman who had lived in different but a very old German village in front of a museum.  And, guess what?  This bronz lady had my nose and the nose found so often on my paternal side.

Course, done of our paternal family noses have anything to do with the Romanov nose.  But,  this post is about noses. ;D

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"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Finelly

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Re: Re: Anna Anderson - Physical Evidence and DNA #4
« Reply #134 on: July 31, 2005, 09:36:51 PM »
All four of my kids have different noses, and none of them have my nose, their father's nose, or any of their grandparents' noses.

Go figure.  MY nose doesn't even resemble anyone in the family's nose.....