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Benckendorff  Family
« on: June 11, 2004, 07:14:13 AM »
Joanna!

I looked through the Counts' book, and in the introduction there was only mention of the papers but not where they are kept. How frustrating!
Will try and find out more :)

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2004, 08:50:55 PM »
Hi,

Unfortunately I know nothing about Count Benckendorff’s papers. I guess that, if they survived, they would be in the Russian Archives. Maybe Greg King or Penny Wilson have seen them.

In the Appendix to his Memoirs, the Count mentions that, after the departure of the Imperial Family for Tobolsk,  eight packing cases full of “objects of value which belonged  personally to the Emperor and Empress were collected and transferred to the depository of the Imperial Office in the Anichkov Palace, whence they should be sent to Moscow if the danger of occupation of St. Petersburg by the German army continued”. Surely a list of those valuable items was made. Later he writes that he had a discussion with Golovin, the new Commissioner for the Imperial Court, about  “the jewellery that belonged to the Empress personnaly” (…) which, for the most part, had been deposited in the store-rooms of the Imperial Office, as well  as furs, gowns and other effects of their Majesties which were deposited in the store-rooms of various Palaces.”

As for what stayed in the Alexander Palace, the Count doesn’t mention any lists but does write about the work of the Historical and Artistic Commission headed by George Lukomsky which the Provisional Government set up to preserve the Tsarskoe Selo Palaces. In the French Revue des Deux-Mondes (08-15-1929), Lukomsky published an interesting account of the Imperial family’s departure, which he witnessed, and his later work in the Palace.  He gives some interesting information about what he found in the Private Appartments but writes that, when he arrived (a few hours after the I.F. left), nothing had been inventoried and that he was given no list, except one for the items which went to Tobolsk (and which, deliberately, made no mention of the Empress jewellery though).  So the members of the Commission went immediately to work. The next day, he writes colour photos of all the Private Appartments were taken  :o . I wonder if they have survived?? Maybe Bob knows? It would be amazing to see them no?!

In a 1918 small catalogue for the Alexander Palace, Lukomsky wrote (and which I have), he does list all the objects and art in the Parade Rooms, which had already been opened to the public. Unfortunately he doesn’t go beyond Alexandra's Formal Reception Room.


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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2004, 03:58:41 PM »
Joanna,

Sorry for my late reply : Lukomsky’s article was published in French and his small catalogue in Russian. Posting here would need some translation work which I don’t have time for right now. It might be interesting to do for the Palace website though. Hopefully I’ll find some time later…

Let me know if you read any of these languages, I could send you photocopies.



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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 03:43:24 PM »
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TANIA, MEMORIES OF A LOST WORLD by Tania Alexander p. 1:

"In the spring of 1918, six months after the Bolshevik October Revolution, my brother and I, aged five and three, were taken for safety from our Petrograd home to join our father who was already on his estate, Yendel, some fifty miles east of Reval (now Tallinn) in the Russian province of Estonia."

"...On the morning of April 28th, 1919, my father had gone to see to things on the estate..."

"At one o'clock he had not yet returned and my brother Paul, cousin Kira, Mariussa and I set out to meet him.  We walked... As we turned the second corner we saw in front of [us] the body of a man lying across the path.  Mariussa screamed and tried to raise the body, but it was too late.  She then hurriedly ushered us away, but we had already seen the man was our father and that he was dead...."

p. 2

"My mext memory is of a white sheets over our large dinning table on the summer veranda, and my father lying there with only his waxlike face showing, surrounded by a mountain of flowers, sheets and candles.  An apparetly endless stream of aunts and relative came and wept, a constant flow of villagers and people from the estate arrived with bunches of lowers....."

"It was never clearely established who had fired th shots which killed by father."

Her father was Ioann ["John" or "Djon"] von Beckendorff, a Baltic nobleman.

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Her mother was Moura Budberg whom the book's fly cover tells us was:  "...glamorous, intelligent, passionate, egocentric--made rare apperances at the famly estate..... An indefatigable socialte...attracted many admirers.... Her lovers included two of recent history's most famous literary figures, Maxim Gorky and H. G. Wells, as well as the Brtish agent Rober Bruce Lockhardt."

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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2005, 04:07:04 PM »
Does anyone know anything about the  Lysva estate which belong to the Benckendorff's.

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2005, 09:34:04 AM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere (perhaps Constantine Benckendorff's memoirs) that the hugely lucrative mine belonged to the 5 Shouvalov sisters.One of these was Sophie the wife of Count Alexander ( Count Pauls twin) who was ambassador to Britain and died in England in 1916. Another sister was Princess Olga Doulgorouky who left Russia in the entourage of the Dowager Empress in 1919and came briefly to her sister in London. HER grandaughter Sophia Skipwith writes about the family in her autobiography "Sofka".

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 09:25:04 AM »
A Benckendorff query ~ I've already posted it on the books thread with no luck.

I have a lovely copy, still in its dust wrapper, of 'Last Days at Tsarskoe Selo', by Count Paul Benckendorff, 'being the personal notes and memories of Count PB, telling of the last sojourn of the Emperor and Empress of Russia at Tsarskoe Selo' published by Heinemann in 1927. As many will know, it is a clear, sincere record of those melancholy days, and perhaps the most reliable set of memoirs written. My copy has this dedication written in ink on the inside : 'My dear Lizzie, I am sure you will appreciate these few pages written by my husband, whom you knew in Russia. From your affectionate old grannie, Hice, 20th of May 1927' Now I know quite a lot about the Benckendorffs, but have been unable to discover anything at all about a grand-daughter called Lizzie (Elizabeth). can anyone help, or point me in the direction of someone who can?

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 09:27:16 AM »
....that should read 'Nice, 20th of May, 1927'.......

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 12:57:43 PM »
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A Benckendorff query ~ I've already posted it on the books thread with no luck.

I have a lovely copy, still in its dust wrapper, of 'Last Days at Tsarskoe Selo', by Count Paul Benckendorff, 'being the personal notes and memories of Count PB, telling of the last sojourn of the Emperor and Empress of Russia at Tsarskoe Selo' published by Heinemann in 1927. As many will know, it is a clear, sincere record of those melancholy days, and perhaps the most reliable set of memoirs written. My copy has this dedication written in ink on the inside : 'My dear Lizzie, I am sure you will appreciate these few pages written by my husband, whom you knew in Russia. From your affectionate old grannie, Hice, 20th of May 1927' Now I know quite a lot about the Benckendorffs, but have been unable to discover anything at all about a grand-daughter called Lizzie (Elizabeth). can anyone help, or point me in the direction of someone who can?
Lizzie could well be the grand daughter of Count Paul's widow Countess Mary who died in Nice in 1936. By birth a Princess Doulgoruky she was married to a cousin by whom she had 2 sons(Prince Vassily accompanied the last Tsar to Siberia and was shot in 1918).Widowed young she made a childless marriage to Paul B much later in life.In exile in Nice she was looked after by her "widowed 40 something grandaughter" who she (according to her great neice Sofka Skipwith,nee Doulgoruky "Sofka", Hart Davies, 1960's) treated as tenage girl.

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 02:27:43 PM »
Marvellous; thank you so much. That sounds very likely. I'll try and find the book you mention. Your help is much appreciated.

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 06:46:40 PM »
Keila-Joa Manor, known as Schloss Fall the Benckendorff/Volkonsky estate pre 1917, is located west of Tallinn, Estonia. It is where Count Paul Benckendorff was buried in 1921 and his wife. The manor was built by Stackenschneider c1830s and the small family cemetery located on a hill overlooking the sea has survived.

http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_eest.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_fr.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_sis.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_tr.jpg

An excellent site on Estonian Manors:
http://www.mois.ee/english/list_a.shtml

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 10:54:40 PM »
Jäneda Manor

 Jendel in Kirchspiel Ampel, Jerwen

 The manor was first mentioned in 1510. The construction of the heart of the estate in a stately manner began at the time of von Benkendorffs at the end of the 19th century
 
http://www.mois.ee/english/jarva/janeda.shtml

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 02:49:48 AM »
Keila-Joa Manor, known as Schloss Fall the Benckendorff/Volkonsky estate pre 1917, is located west of Tallinn, Estonia. It is where Count Paul Benckendorff was buried in 1921 and his wife. The manor was built by Stackenschneider c1830s and the small family cemetery located on a hill overlooking the sea has survived.

http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_eest.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_fr.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_sis.jpg
http://www.mois.ee/pic_harju/keilajoa_tr.jpg

An excellent site on Estonian Manors:
http://www.mois.ee/english/list_a.shtml

Joanna
Countess Mary died in 1936 in (Nice ?) France. Was her body taken to Estonia to be buried by the side of her 2nd husband?

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 09:48:54 AM »
Thanks ashdean for the information on Countess Mary. I had not known of this. I have some names of the family that are buried there and very much appreciate this clarification.

Joanna

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 02:36:27 PM »
Thanks ashdean for the information on Countess Mary. I had not known of this. I have some names of the family that are buried there and very much appreciate this clarification.

Joanna
Countess Marys later life is fleetingly mentioned in "Sofka" the memories of her great neice Sofka Skipwith...nee Princess Doulgoruky.