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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2011, 11:47:48 PM »
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« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2011, 02:16:03 PM »
I've always wondered if, when Grand Duke Paul married Olga, he was forced to leave his children from his first marriage with Grand Duke Sergei and GD Ella, or did he leave them voluntarily? It strikes me as terribly sad and it's not surprising that both Maria and Dmitri had "issues" later on.

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« Reply #122 on: February 05, 2011, 03:34:54 PM »
I've always wondered if, when Grand Duke Paul married Olga, he was forced to leave his children from his first marriage with Grand Duke Sergei and GD Ella, or did he leave them voluntarily? It strikes me as terribly sad and it's not surprising that both Maria and Dmitri had "issues" later on.

Marrying Olga he probably understood that he wouldn't live in Russia as his marriage was a morganatic one. So, the Emperor couldn't let his children live with him and his morganatic wife somewhere in Europe. Pavel definitely understood that children would be taken away from him, but he wanted marry Olga at any cost. He left Russia with a million roubles in his pocket (he knew he would be punished and was ready to wait out the storm), married in Livorno his beloved Olga and then...was very offended that children became "children in ward", in ward of his own brother Sergei. The most of the Romanovs were thrilled wirth Pavel's selfishness.

So, answering your question it should be said: yes, he was forced and yes, he left them voluntarily.

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« Reply #123 on: February 05, 2011, 03:51:48 PM »
I agree with most of the Romanovs. It's sad when a parent chooses a romantic partner over children, and it happens a lot, at least here in the US, mostly with women.
@ashanti01 - Thanks for the photo. It appears that he is built the complete opposite of Nicholas II - a short body and legs right up to his neck.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #124 on: February 05, 2011, 04:10:29 PM »
I've always wondered if, when Grand Duke Paul married Olga, he was forced to leave his children from his first marriage with Grand Duke Sergei and GD Ella, or did he leave them voluntarily? It strikes me as terribly sad and it's not surprising that both Maria and Dmitri had "issues" later on.

I've read that he was sure he would have to leave Dmitri behind for his military training, but that he was hoping the Tsar would let him keep Maria when he had finally settled. Before Paul and Olga were married, they had been travelling around Europe, staying in hotel rooms with their son Vladimir, for a considerable period of time (two years I think), as Paul still somewhat hoped that his nephew would allow the match. Since Paul was a widower, had already lived a dynastic marriage and produced offspring from it, both him and his mistress hoped for years that their situation would be regarded as different from other unions of the sort, but this permission never came. When Paul finally realised this, he decided to go ahead with the ceremony, even though he knew the consequences.

One can actually understand his decision. Maria and Dmitri, as much as he loved them, belonged to the crown, but his youngest son was his own and the Russian court had no rights over him, so maybe he thought it would be better to solve his and his mother's situation than to sit around, waiting for a third party to make that decision for him.

But even though he had to leave them, he never stopped writing and at least Maria always spent two weeks in Paris with him and his new family in Paris during the summer.  :)
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« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2011, 12:16:29 PM »
One can actually understand his decision. Maria and Dmitri, as much as he loved them, belonged to the crown, but his youngest son was his own and the Russian court had no rights over him, so maybe he thought it would be better to solve his and his mother's situation than to sit around, waiting for a third party to make that decision for him.
True dat ... He was Vladimir's father too. Sometimes one is left with nothing but bad choices. I can sort of understand where Nicholas was coming from, not permitting the marriage - if he approved Paul's, then he'd have to approve all the other "inappropriate" ones. Still, as Tsar, he was in a position to pick and choose his battles like few other people were, and he could have made a sad situation easier.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2011, 10:55:54 AM »

GD Paul c. 1890

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« Reply #127 on: February 10, 2011, 11:44:55 AM »
Not every man could pull tights as well as Grand Duke Paul did!  :)
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« Reply #128 on: February 10, 2011, 12:40:10 PM »
Not every man could pull tights as well as Grand Duke Paul did!  :)

But he did that for playing Prince Christian of Denmark in the play "Tzar Boris" ))

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« Reply #129 on: February 10, 2011, 04:23:14 PM »
Nice legs, though.  ;)
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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #130 on: February 17, 2011, 05:04:32 PM »

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« Reply #131 on: March 09, 2011, 10:29:57 AM »
With his nephew:



With Elena Vladimirovna:



And solo:

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« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2011, 10:52:21 AM »
Grand Duke Paul with his first wife Grand Duchess Alexandra


Group shot, GD Alexandra & GD Paul in the back row. Prince & Princess Youssoupoff in the first row

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« Reply #133 on: March 17, 2011, 08:23:46 PM »
Thanks for the photo. Grand Duke Paul has become my favorite Romanov after Nicky and I'm really enjoying reading and learning more about him. I read Princess Paley's book on-line and The Romanovs 1819 - 1959 and am now reading Flight of the Romanovs ... it's interesting to read the variety of opinions on his actions.

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« Reply #134 on: March 20, 2011, 03:07:38 PM »

Grand Duke Paul with his cousins Olga Konstantinovna & GD Konstantine