Martyrdom, Sainthood. Reburial and Commemoration of IF

[JonC]

Lisa as you can see from my posts I clearly had no intention of bringing 'survivor' issues on this thread that is why I carefully deflected the issue to pm David instead.

He on the other hand decided to belittle the information by commenting openly on this thread upon the info I had sent him. He is the one who should also be warned. I responded in kind. JonC.

[Rodney_G.]

  I'm using this subject to differentiate my question from the earlier IF thread. My interest in the IF came well after 1998 .I regret not being aware of them as I would really like to have seen current TV or any other film footage. Right now I'm looking on the web for any TV or other possible personal videos of July16-17, 1998 , so far without luck.
 
  So: Did any of you see the IF burial at that time?  Or, can anyone give me links or other tips to find it?

   Or, best of all, could the AP website find some film of the event and put it on the Romanov Films and Music section?
   I wouldn't think it would be too difficult or expensive.  Any chance, Bob?

[Laura Mabee]

Hey Rodney,
You know what's frustrating? I know there is a website out there with videoclips of the entire service as well as explainations of what is going on in the video.
The problem is, I didn't bookmark it! **
I'll try to find it and post the link here.

[rgt9w]

Rodney,

I sent you an instant message regarding your question.

[Laura Mabee]

With the prompting of Rodney, I found the link to the page with the film footage.
Hope you all can take a peak at it, it's amazing

Burial of Nicholas II and Family - When you get to the bottom of the page, click "next" for more video coverage. It truly is an amazing site!

[Taren]

Those clips were certainly interesting. I love that one clip says something like "Alexandra Feodorovna Romanova -Nicholas II's closest relative". They couldn't have just said his wife? I was struck though by the size of the Tsarina's coffin. Unless the camera angles were just funny, it looked like the coffin was only about two feet long. I know there was no actual body to bury, but were the bones just thrown in there? Also, since two bodies are missing and they don't know the identity of one, are the grand duchesses' tombs labelled with their names -even though they can't be certain which one isn't there? Or, though they aren't there, are there places for Alexei and the missing grand duchess as well?

[rgt9w]

I have read that the coffins were smaller than a standard one. This evident when you see the clips of only four persons carrying the coffins. Space was left in the crypt for the missing children if they are ever found.

[Inok Nikolai]

(I realize that this topic has not been discussed lately, but while browsing the Forum during the past year, I saw that this question came up many times in different threads.
I actually wrote this some time ago, but am only now getting around to posting it. I. N.)


Concerning the Imperial Family and Their Servants as Martyrs and Saints


The aim of this piece is not to open a whole polemic on the pros and cons of glorifying
the members of the Imperial family as martyrs. Rather, it is an attempt to help those who
are puzzled by the Church’s decision — especially those who are not Orthodox Chris-
tians — to understand some of the many other aspects of this complex question.

(For some reason the link below no longer opens this posting, so I give the text itself here. I. N.)

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10189.msg284688#msg284688
"It's always irritated me that the others who died with the Romanov's never get
mentioned half the time.  They were very loyal servants to the Czar and deserve
better recognition.  I was even watching a documentary a couple months ago
and I was like, 'Where are the others who got killed too?' It was just the family
with no mention of everyone else.  Okay, done with my rant.  What do you all
think?"

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Taking occasion from the above quote, I would like to comment upon some of the state-
ments made, or questions posed, concerning this topic in various threads on this forum.

To begin with, I would like to address the issue of the glorification (canonization, if you
will) of the New Martyrs of Russia in general (including the Imperial family), and then
the question of the recognition of the suite and servants as saints, in particular.

Since my commentary on this topic will, inevitably, exceed the limits of one posting on
the forum, I will simply put a link to this article (which will be hosted elsewhere) in the
pertinent threads, rather than have the text spill over into several consecutive windows
here.

http://www.saintannas.com/Archived_Docs_HTM/PostingOnGlorificationOfNewMartyrs.pdf