Dr.Ginther- Questions To Ask Him

[Penny_Wilson]

So, you spoke with them directly Penny?

I spoke with Helen Mingay and in a follow-up conversation, Greg spoke with at least Helen Mingay and possibly John Klier also.  This was in late 1999/early 2000, prior to us beginning the project that engendered both the FOTR and our future work on Pretenders.  We made them fully aware at that time of the passage in their book that caught our attention.  Neither of them ridiculed or otherwise disabused us of the nascent idea that Gertrud may have been a half-sister.

Neither one of them treated us -- nor have they treated any other colleague or researcher that we know --  as "nutters."  

[jeremygaleaz]

I spoke with Helen Mingay and in a follow-up conversation, Greg spoke with at least Helen Mingay and possibly John Klier also.  This was in late 1999/early 2000, prior to us beginning the project that engendered both the FOTR and our future work on Pretenders.  We made them fully aware at that time of the passage in their book that caught our attention.  Neither of them ridiculed or otherwise disabused us of the nascent idea that Gertrud may have been a half-sister.

Neither one of them treated us -- nor have they treated any other colleague or researcher that we know --  as "nutters."  

Now, now, we're referring to the "idea" not the indvidual. There are no stupid questions as far as I'm concerned (only funny ones) , and we all want to learn.

But, leaving room for the possibility of lapse of memory if such is the case, and the Shankowskys and AA were the main point of conversation , John Kleir had no memory of you, and Helen Mingay didn't seem to know who you were either when the subject of FOTR was finally brought up. And neither had heard of the whole "half sister" issue. Do you have transcripts of your conversation with them? Notes, perhaps?

[Penny_Wilson]

Do you have transcripts of your conversation with them? Notes, perhaps?

Yes.

[Finelly]

It does seem odd that they would have no recollection of Penny and Greg.  

In fact, it seems SO odd to me that I would have to discount anything they said after that......

[Mgmstl]

Every single bloomin case that DNA science has solved. There is never a time when subjective evidence can not be interpreted to arrive at a different conclusion than the one shown by DNA. Otherwise, defence lawyers wouldn't have a job.

 Unless your vast investigative experience in historical/criminal research can find something different?  

 

Right.... all things that have already been said...and he arrived at the wrong conclusion.


  

Well, given that you wrote "very convincing" in capitals, in does seem to me like you are trying to tie in that she may have been Anastasia...hhhhmmm? . Sometime , you and I will have to talk about Santa Claus too.

You are obviously blind or lacking in reading comprehension, nowhere, and at no time I have ever stated she was AN.  

My question is why do you keep insulting Kurth's research, which at the time (pre DNA) was groundbreaking, in his use of original source material. 

I thought you were staying off of the survivor thread forever, perhaps I can find your post where you stated that??

[Mgmstl]

Trying to bait me with another arugment while preaching peace? Ah-ah, Naughty boy! Teddy2 sends many kisses to his favorite " Simpsons " comic book guy"  

No not trying to bait you child, just stating an obvious fact concerning your statement about Kurth and his book.   Isn't it time to go back to your playpen or sandbox?  

[AGRBear]

 Dr. Ginther doesn't have the slighest idea who Curious One was.  So,  I assumed next month, next year or five years from now he will not remember her name.

This does not and will not mean the e-mail he sent her which she has given us for this thread [the topic of this thread] was not sent.

Please, there is no need to question Penny's or Greg's integrity.  Nor is there need to question the memory of the other two authors.   As we've learn in these various threads, memory is a delicate factor and not often reliable.  This is why lawyers prefer evidence than having to depend on memories.

Jay-Ro-Mee  [*incorrectly had Finelly incerted]  for some reason seems to be baiting Penny even after Penny gave her answer.  If you have a problem with Penny or Greg, please,  the rest of us wish you'd take this problem to PMs.

Penny and Greg's investigators are not the only ones who have not found Gertrud's birth data.  Such records are open to the public and Finelly and anyone else who has the know-how can reach these records themselves or hire someone who will help you go through these records.

AGRBear

*Apologize Finelly for having incorrectly directed my post to you. Sorry.  Sorry. Sorry.

[Finelly]

I realize that it may be fun for people to engage in back and forth insults and name-calling and put-downs.

Unfortunately, the rest of us who read these threads find it utterly annoying, disrespectful, and disruptive.

If you want to do it, perhaps you can take it to ims.  

[Mgmstl]

I realize that it may be fun for people to engage in back and forth insults and name-calling and put-downs.

Unfortunately, the rest of us who read these threads find it utterly annoying, disrespectful, and disruptive.

If you want to do it, perhaps you can take it to ims.  

My apologies Finelly.

[jeremygaleaz]

As Bear stated before quite plainly this thread is not about DNA issues.  That should be discussed on the DaveK  DNA thread.  

No, she said  that on another  thread. This one also relates to DNA issues, and Dr. Ginther's tests  

[Forum Admin]

You have all been cautioned about personal sniping, attacks and straying off topic. Need I say more?
FA

[AGRBear]

Michael,  you've heard me say toooooooooooooo many times that a thread isn't about DNA.  

I do think we can talk on this thread about DNA and mtDNA and glass slides, syringes, etc. since Dr. Ginther was asked about these things and did reply about these things.

And, yes, it was Dr. Ginther, who was under  Dr. King's watch, who worked on the Romanov bones as well as AA's DNA but then became independent of Dr. King while working for Remy.

AGRBear

[Finelly]

"Finelly for some reason seems to be baiting Penny even after Penny gave her answer.  If you have a problem with Penny or Greg, please,  the rest of us wish you'd take this problem to PMs."

Heavens, I have no idea how I gave that impression!  I feel absolutely no animosity toward Penny or Greg.  I actually am so glad that Penny posted again, as I would like to hear more from her.  I certainly don't know enough about any theories she has even to criticize them.

Penny - if I have offended in any way, I apologize.  It was not my intention.

I like to think that I do not "bait" people, as I tend to stick to issues and am pretty open to considering anything.  Especially on the topic of AA, FS, and AN, since I remain fascinated by the entire story.

[Finelly]

I also pmmed a private apology to Penny Wilson.

[Mgmstl]

"Finelly for some reason seems to be baiting Penny even after Penny gave her answer.  If you have a problem with Penny or Greg, please,  the rest of us wish you'd take this problem to PMs."

Heavens, I have no idea how I gave that impression!  I feel absolutely no animosity toward Penny or Greg.  I actually am so glad that Penny posted again, as I would like to hear more from her.  I certainly don't know enough about any theories she has even to criticize them.

Penny - if I have offended in any way, I apologize.  It was not my intention.

I like to think that I do not "bait" people, as I tend to stick to issues and am pretty open to considering anything.  Especially on the topic of AA, FS, and AN, since I remain fascinated by the entire story.

Finelly I don't think it was you who Bear was referring to.    I read the other thread where you introduced yourself to Penny.   I don't think you have done or said anything that could be considered baiting.