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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2006, 09:17:39 AM »
Thank you very much for the information. Very sad!! Pity she didn´t return to England..
At least she was spared the flight west that would have been her lot had she lived another year and death in a cart or ditch that was the tragic lot of thousands in the winter of 1945
 
This is ever so true. Aristocrats and nobility were afforded no privleges during the most massive human evacuation and subsequent forced migration known in human history. Over 12 million German civilians, including the land owners and royal estate owners, were moved out without anything except the clothes on their backs. A huge percent were killed by allied planes bombing and machine gunning the hordes of refugees and many of the others simply died of starvation and disease. Had Daisy been part of this horror, she may well have ended up in a roadside ditch rather than a humble abode until her early end.
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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2006, 11:58:32 AM »
I do not know much about the Germany Post World War.  but  it seems  an awfull period  any book on the subjet? reading a byography of Rosa of Luxembourg....by the way many thanks MARLENE ...for the pictures and all the information... the castle Furstentein is indeed beautifull  and the surroundings too.

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2006, 04:48:35 PM »
there's a book title "German Boy" that is a very good account of the end of WWII and the forced German migration. Written by a man, Wolfgang Samuel, who was a young boy during the period, he later came to the U.S. and rose to rank of colonel in the U.S. Air force. The historian Stephan Ambrose wrote the forward to the book which, to me, gave much validation and credibilty to the author's experiences and a part of history very much unwritten about.

Others are "Walking Until Daylight" and "A Terrible Revenge. The ethnic cleansing east european Germans".

Walking Until Daylight is written in an interesting style that makes for great enjoyment.
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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2006, 05:16:31 AM »
thank you HERRKAISER  I will look for the books..such an interesting subject

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2006, 11:44:10 AM »
very welcome; you'll enjoy them. I made an error in the title of one. It is actually "Walking Since Daybreak". Close!

To tie this subject back to the thread topic, Daisy and other royals as well as millions of ethnic Germans simply lost EVERYTHING and many their lives at the end of the war and during the subsequent years. The ethnic cleansing and removal of German civilians is the largest forced removal of a population in human history.

Daisy was part of this. When the Soviet armies came through, they not only forced Germans out of killed them, they destroyed most of the property or stole it. Even cemeteries were plowed up and headstones dumped in piles in forests or rivers. It truly was a "cleansing".

It is not surprising that Daisy and others in that same boat would have been totally dispondent and without much energy to "restart". That, in addition to a level of anger that the post war attrocities were as bad as the ones the nazi regime had committed, made for a situation wherein these people would not have been eager to seek refuge outside of Germany very quickly.
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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2006, 08:14:14 AM »
"Walking scince daybreak" is a very poweful,evocative book.Many German nobles had the good sense to head west before the Russians arrived.I remember reading that one Prince (Dohna-Schoblitten?)fled with a wagon train of a 100 carts filled with art teasures and guarded by retainers who also brought their families and cattle.Count Alfred Potocki's evacuation of the famed art treasures of Lancut his palatial estate near cracow is the stuff of legend as is the evacuation of the Lichtenstein treasures from Bohemia and Vienna to Vaduz....but taking all this aside for 99.9%  of the population the soviet advance spelt misery and heartbeak and despair.Daisy was better dead than suffer that further tragedy......

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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 05:48:34 AM »
thanks ASHDEAN    I hardly can wait to put my hands on"WALKING SINCE DAYLIGHT"

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 07:12:51 AM »
You will enjoy the book and history. It is true as Ashdean indicates that some nobles had the good sense to escape before the Russians swept over the land. Many however remained with their property, friends, and communities. Few men were around, even nobles. Only women and children and elderly. the noblemen were the main core of Hitler's armed services in a large way; the German theory of troop strength being to put the best men and most affluent up front, first. By 1945, a overwhelming percent of men 15-65 were simply nowhere to be seen other than in battle.

Hence, the escape was left generally up to women which exacerbated the problem because there was always hope their men would be  back to get them or protect them. even if they thought differently, it was the question of where to go and where to be found. So, unfortuntately, many stayed and endured the severe rath of the soviet onslaught.

Many refuguees made it to Dresden which was a huge refugee destination, aided in large part by the Wettins and other Bavarian nobles. However, the refugees who made it as far as Dresden met with death by incineration in February 1945 during the British and American phosphorus bombing raids.
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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2006, 12:51:08 PM »
Prince Alfons Clary and his wife Ludwine were court up in the Russian advance at their estate in Bohemia....they were "lucky" to eventually be deported.They would have lost everything except a french forced labourer to whom they had been kind took the family jewels to the Princes sister Countess Balliet-Latour when he was repatriated.The Metternich (Prince Paul and his wife Princess Tatiana had been wise to go when flee did)..

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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2006, 12:44:33 PM »
I'm reading a book about Prince Karl Max LICHNOWSKY  the Kaiser's Embassador  in London..in it the author mentions Prince Hans Heinrich XV  von PLESS  and Pincess DAISY...DAISY wrote a letter to Prince LICHNOWSKY seeking preferment for her husband and was peeved when her husband did not receive an appointment as ambassador.Pince LICHNOWSKY was sometimes a guest at FURSTENSTEIN the castle was 50 miles east of KULCHENA where  the Prince had his own state...he called HANS and DAISY von PLESS '"Fair and fairy princess" ...after a visit of the KAISER and  his entouirage  to Furstenstein the PRINCE OF PLESS   reputedly said : "One more visit from the KAISER and I'll be bankrupt..in her diary of 1916 Prncess Daisy  noted that -"Prince LICHNOWSKY  was frightfully depressed,feeling that the KAISER and others blamed him for the WWl'   Anyone with more about this?

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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2006, 02:02:58 PM »
Prince Lichnowsky begged the English government, in TEARS, to not declare war on Germany and avoid a large scale, falling dominos effect that would lead to a huge continental war. I have never heard of a diplomat beseeching a foreign government in tears at any other time; it seems clear the prince did everything he could to avoid the conflagration that followed the initial declaragtions of war in the late summer of 1914. the prince felt the British reacted too quickly and too assertively on behalf of Belgium, before any discussions could take place.
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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2006, 08:58:33 AM »
thank  you   HERRKAISER    and because of it he was  disgraced in Germany  everyone  terribly angry with  him even the Kaiser...interesting what happenned to his huge states in central Europe..  The Prince was
 one of those  who lost everything between the WARS...and  in the forties  the family escaped  from Nazi Germany..

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Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2007, 12:22:01 PM »
Much of the text information about Daisy and her photos/portraits refer to her (and Queen marie) as the most beautiful woman of europe and many other comments about her appearance.

Did these photographers or others make similar comments about Crown Princess Cecilie? Ceclie seems to be much more a beauty.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2007, 11:40:38 AM »
One of the photos from the site is queen alexandra and the text refers to a letter she wrote to Daisy after the war stating “I am really so delighted to hear it (finally getting to London having escaped the ravages of war) as I know what you have gone through and suffered during all those five years of awful horrible war and then you were banned from England…. Please write and tell me all about yourself".

If this is an accurate quote, how bloody arrogant and snooty! What Daisy and others went through--losing everything, struggling to stay alive, desparatly seeking refuge--is something Alexandra could in no way "...know what you have gone through". And to simply request a LETTER to provide details of the tribulations seems massively like a 'let them eat cake' mentality.,

Daisy could have used money and wasn't Alexandra capable of providing that help? I wonder if Daisy was as offended by Alexandra's letter as I am and if Daisy withdrew of contact with Alexandra.
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2007, 12:21:18 PM »
I don't think so. Alix wasn't known for being snotty. By writing "..know what you have gone through" I interpret as she knew what had occured. Also she may have just been caring by writing "please tell me about yourself" i.e. how she was coping in such reduced cirumstances....
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