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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #165 on: January 02, 2011, 12:17:30 AM »
I thought N&A had to speak in French during their captivity in the AP.

I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind forcing them to speak French would be.
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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #166 on: January 02, 2011, 08:54:26 AM »
I thought N&A had to speak in French during their captivity in the AP.

I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind forcing them to speak French would be.

It was Russian, not French. From Gilliard's memoirs:

After Mass, Kerensky announced to the Tsar that he was obliged to separate him from the Tsarina - that he will have to live apart, only seeing Her Majesty at meals, and that on condition that only Russian is spoken. Tea, too, may be taken together, but in the presence of an officer, as no servants are present.
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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #167 on: January 02, 2011, 12:44:17 PM »
makes sense...that way any guard assigned to them would know what was being said...  French would not be allowed any more than English in that case ...it's interesting, the" loyal officers"  rescue letters at the end were written in French as a means, in part, imo  to signal they were from " friends" ...but almost certainly these  letters  were from their  Cheka jailers  and an attempt to have the family incriminate themselves in writing...  of course Olga penned the family's answers in French....but I always thought the family was quite suspicious of the letters origin since they express an excessive regard for the safety of their guards...the very ones  they knew would most likely be reading the answers....yet one must answer them even so 

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  Olga Nikolaevna

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #168 on: January 02, 2011, 04:44:40 PM »
....but I always thought the family was quite suspicious of the letters origin since they express an excessive regard for the safety of their guards...the very ones  they knew would most likely be reading the answers....yet one must answer them even so 

If they were that suspicious, I don't think the IF would have answered the letters. It's illogical otherwise -- why deliberately enter into a trap set by your captors?
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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #169 on: January 03, 2011, 02:37:08 AM »
If they were that suspicious, I don't think the IF would have answered the letters. It's illogical otherwise -- why deliberately enter into a trap set by your captors?
On the chance it was for real of course ....The first letter they most likely believed...but by the third, after they had waited fully clothed all night in vain for the"  whistle"  signal  and their rescuers 's"  plan" was  having two invalids  clime down ladders ....I find the family's third reply tired, wary  and  I find how they go on about the guard's welfare  something one would write if one believed there was a good chance the very same was reading it... just imo 

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  Olga Nikolaevna

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #170 on: January 03, 2011, 12:56:50 PM »
Sarushka , a friend, far more knowledgeable than I , agrees with you. Nicholas believed...In their opinion it was the sort of "daring do " thing he and Alix would believe.... I can see that...and that one would have to as well .

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #171 on: June 29, 2011, 11:07:44 AM »
Olga letter from April 1918

From the Southey auction catalog.






"Give my love to all who remember me."

  Olga Nikolaevna

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #172 on: July 16, 2011, 01:49:10 PM »
I recently came across a reference to  a (purported) letter from Olga To British author John Buchan. The reference appeared in a book not otherwise dealing with either one. Buchan was a  pro-British imperialist writer and journalist popular in the early twentieth century . He wrote what you might call patriotic(to Great Britain)  spy and adventure thrillers that celebrated the feats of some daring young fellow who would thwart some (often foreign) threat to good old British values. He wrote The Thirty-nine Steps[/i [/ , a big hit as both a book and movie.

At any rate, the book I was reading claimed that Olga wrote him a fan letter from Tobolsk, saying that she'd enjoyed his latest story, as did her sisters, and father. No source was provided for this reference and some of the footnotes in the book were unreliable so I'm doubtful that Olga wrote such a letter. Not to mention that it seems farfetched to think of Imperial Family letters being allowed to be mailed to Great Britain.
On the other hand , totally making up a story about a Russian Grand Duchess writing to a British author seems unlikely too. And, we know that Nicholas and the Gds liked to read popular fiction of the day , for example, Mlllionaire Girl.
So, such a letter seems intriguing, but presently very much 'unconfirmed.'
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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #173 on: August 08, 2011, 05:10:12 AM »
i was thinking that i've always understood in a different way olga's phrase from a letter "Father asks to remember that is not evil that defeats evil, but only love" (i'm going by heart so i'm sure the words are not the same, but just to make you understand).
It seems you all think "Father" refers to Nicholas, and this is understandable. But my twisted mind has always understood that "Father" is referred to the Lord. Maybe i'm wrong - i'm Catholic and we use to refer to the Lord calling him "Father". But still i'm in doubt!

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #174 on: August 08, 2011, 06:41:48 AM »
Very interesting Sunny. I always read that as meaning Nicholas.....particularly if you read the rest of the passage... imo she's passing along a saintly message  from a human to other humans....

"Give my love to all who remember me."

  Olga Nikolaevna

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« Reply #175 on: August 08, 2011, 07:03:51 AM »
When i thought so i hadn't the full letter, but just that sentence; since in italian we don't call parents "mother" and "father", i thought she was referring to the Lord. Just later i realized it could be Nicholas! But i thought it would be intersting to have another opinion about this.

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #176 on: August 08, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »
Here's more of it...though it's off the top of my head and may not be 100 correct

"Father asks those who remain loyal to him not to seek vengeance  but to  remember that the evil which is now in the world will become yet more powerful, and that it is not evil which conquers evil, but only love

Olga Nicholaievna


so it seems  to me Olga is speaking about and for  Nicholas and uses the formal word "father" rather than Papa... as she is  making almost a proclamation ,

"Give my love to all who remember me."

  Olga Nikolaevna

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #177 on: August 08, 2011, 08:06:47 PM »
I hate to be a spoilsport, but I've never been able to throw off a hint of skepticism regarding that quote. Given its virtue and popularity, it strikes me as fishy that the full text of the letter that the quote is sourced from has never come to light, and further that we know neither the date nor recipient of the letter...
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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #178 on: August 08, 2011, 08:24:35 PM »
I join you in your reaction, "Sarushka."  IMO, IN THE CONTEXT PRESENTED, the tenor is simply too "lofty" and as Americans are wont to put it: "preachy."                                                                                                             Regards,  AP.

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Re: Olga's Letters
« Reply #179 on: August 08, 2011, 11:48:34 PM »
Well, they were very religious, and Alexandra read the bible quite a lot, so it probably wouldn't be too "preachy" to them. The lack of her saying Papa does make it seem a little less believable... I *think* I saw a letter that said this, but if Sarushka hasn't seen it, I'm not sure if anyone has!