Speaking about claimants...

[RealAnastasia]

Hi!:

       I only wanted to said a little thing: starting a thread about a claimant, or writting about him/her, doesn't mean that the person who starts this thread or discussion would support this claimant.  

         I'm always believed (like AGRBear does) that someone escaped this awful cellar in the night of 16-17 July 1918, but I'm also open minded to study all possibilities. I don't believe all claimants, but I'm open to know more and more things about them.

          If people here wants to know, I'm not a Tatia Romani supporter, nor an Alexandra Michaelis one, but I'm interested in them. Of course! They could be fake, but their stories are patetic, and I would want to know about people who had a so plain life that they feel they must assume other person's life.  I'm sad for this kind of people.

           And what are your OWN feelings about claimants? (This doesn't mean that you are supporting them or you doesn't believe them)  

RealAnastasia.

[Inquiring_Mind]

I think that many claimants had a mental illness.

I have a close friend who is a manic-depressive. He started having symptoms after serving in Desert Storm.
He was 20. According to his doctors he was at the right age under the right kinds of pressure.

Before he was diagnosed and treated, he would have some incredible fanciful thoughts about his importance in this world. Now with a great deal of love and support he has a very lucrative profession, a wife and 2 beautiful children. He is now working as an independent contractor for the US government in Kuwait for the second time in 2 years. Talk about returning to the scene !

I think young people were subjected to such trauma before,  during and after the revolution, that some of their minds chose a brighter reality.

[Tsarevna_Olga]

I think that is possible that somepeople is survived at execution,but i don't know if the survivor are the claimants.
(sorry for my english,,,,but i'm italian!)

[etonexile]

WHY do you believe that ANYONE escaped that small,close killing pit?...It just makes no sense....
The violent,anti-Czarist gunmen went all warm hearted and loving after the first volley?....
These were violent,ruthless men....

[AGRBear]

Telling people that they shouldn't believe in a Romanov having survived isn't what posters on this thread want to read.  If a Romanov did survive or did not survie is not the subject.  This subject is about people who claim they escaped and were claimants or are descendants of those who claimed to have escaped.  This is about why they have made such claims.  No one is saying these claimants were Romanovs.  So, please, take note of this and avoid the debate about the impossibility or possibility of survivors.  

Thank you for respecting this subject and we hope to respect your thread on other subjects such as:  Were There Any Surviviors? or "How Could There Have Been Surviviors". If that is a thread you'd care to start, please do, and I'll join you there....

Yes, it's true, some people do believe there were survivors, but, again, I don't think this debate is meant to be discussed on this thread and why this thread was created.

AGRBear

[RealAnastasia]

Thank you, Bear...It was exactly that I wished to said. My English is not perfect, either, and you said it more properly. Thank you again.  

I agree: some of the claimants must have been people who didn't like their lifes, and just for this, they "taked" a "Romanov" life. I think it was the case of some of the claimants who didn't make public their claim. They just liked to say: "I'm Olga, or Anastasia, or Alexei" and tell beatiful stories about their golden childhoods in Tsarskoe Selo, and amazing tales about how they were rescued and ravelled toward the West. I assume that they weren't even interested in money. They only wanted notoriety, and a more interesting life. Some people buy magazines about Royals and Imperials Families to read...and others just wants to become Royal and Imperials themselves.  

  My own opinion is that one or two of the claimants must have been Romanovs (Attention! Is MY opinion. Only my opinion) but there were not one or two claimants...There were DOZENS of them. They couldn't be ALL Romanovs...That's for sure.

RealAnastasia.

[lexi4]

RealAnastacia,
Please don't worry about your English, you do fine.
I think you are right. There were so many claimants. I think some, like AA, really believed they were who they said. I think AA in her mind totally becam AN. Others, I think, deliberately tried to perpetuate a fraud for personal gain. It is an interesting question you pose. Thank you.

[Georgiy]

Personally, I don't think it is possible anyone could have survived. I think the whole idea behind survivors is romanticism - they were a good-looking family, close-knit, loving etc etc, and it seems too cruel all should be wiped out in one fell swoop (when in reality it would be crueler in some ways if one survived and all the others died.) - and people don't want to think that they could have all been wiped out just like that. Some one had to have survived! I think in some ways it is a natural, human way to think - surely something so horrible couldn't have really happened, but logic says to me otherwise.

[Douglas]

The huge problem with AA was that she spoke perfect Polish.  

There is not one shred of evidence that any of the Imperial Family spoke perfect Polish.

End of fantasy!

[RealAnastasia]

 End or romaticism? End of new ideas by decret and authoritarism! That you really are saying is: didn't analyze this any more! S

Anna Anderson COULDN'T speak polish. her native language was Katchoubian, she didn't know HOW to speak Polish. She could speak Russian in dreams, under anesthesy...Oh! I'm tired to repeat and repeat the same. You may read this in many threads and books, and such. I'm personnally an AA supporter, and I must said it, a romantic. I wouldn't deny this fact. However, I know a friend of mine, who works to my country intelligentsya who assured me that AA was the woman who she claimed to be. Be sure that he is not a romantic. He is a practical, a bit cynical guy, who took assassination and death as natural things (I always was chocked about her way to see the life) and all dramas of the world as things to laugh about.  This guy said me things in advance that after a while turned to be true.

  Nevertheless; I was not discussing Anna Anderson's "case". I'm pretty tired of it. I always speaking about claimants minds, being them sincere people or fake ones. Why about keeping discussing THIS thread?

RealAnastasia.

P.S: And no...I'm not a fairy-believer, nor a stupid, and I will not accept that anyone said me that I am one!    

[AGRBear]

The only eye witnesses there are that reported the execution of Nicholas II and the others in the basement of the Ipatiev House are the executioners.

There were several people in charge of the investigation of the execution, one, who was independent of the Reds and Whites and he concluded the execution was staged.

If the execution was staged and then we have nine bodies in a mass grave with two of Nicholas II's children missing, then we have no idea what occured that night.  

AGRBear

PS  As far as we know, FS did  speak " a little" Polish.  Katchoubian was her first language and her second language was Low German.

[etonexile]

The huge problem with AA was that she spoke perfect Polish.  

There is not one shred of evidence that any of the Imperial Family spoke perfect Polish.

End of fantasy!

End of fantasy...?....Not in this life time...

[AGRBear]

I thought we were talking about claimants???

AGRBear

[RealAnastasia]

Right Bear! But we must assume that in all threads about claimants we must end attacking each other fiercely and calling fool, idiots, fanatics, blievers in fairy-tales, fantasizing people, etc to all people who have an open mind to analyze different possibilities to the facts we already know.

RealAnastasia.

[etonexile]

Faulty ammo...?...And the crushed skulls from rifle butts...? Were the bayonets and wooden gun butts faulty too...?


Alien abductions are "possible"...but not likely...