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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2007, 02:52:24 PM »
Marquess is a lesser title than Duke as well.  ::) But above an Earldom. Most Dukedoms have an Marquessate as well, which is used as subsidiary title for the eldest son and heir. Most Dukedoms were formerly Marquessates and then were upgraded to Dukedoms. The title of Marquess is quite familiar in Britain - it is to me! I was just reading about the  Marquess of Bath before, he is so hilarious.  :D

Well, you're not British though, are you?  ??? Can any British posters here tell us how familiar the general public with be with the title Marquess?

Not all dukedoms have marquessates - the dukedoms of Edinburgh, York, Kent and Gloucester don't.
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2007, 03:06:03 PM »
I don't think the General (British) Public could care less what title he has. ;)
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #107 on: March 30, 2007, 03:09:56 PM »
Marquess is a lesser title than Duke as well.  ::) But above an Earldom. Most Dukedoms have an Marquessate as well, which is used as subsidiary title for the eldest son and heir. Most Dukedoms were formerly Marquessates and then were upgraded to Dukedoms. The title of Marquess is quite familiar in Britain - it is to me! I was just reading about the  Marquess of Bath before, he is so hilarious.  :D

Well, you're not British though, are you?  ??? Can any British posters here tell us how familiar the general public with be with the title Marquess?

Not all dukedoms have marquessates - the dukedoms of Edinburgh, York, Kent and Gloucester don't.

That's my point - I'm not British and am familiar with Marquesses, so why wouldn't British people be? Surely they know what they are? They are no more obscure than Dukes and Earls really. It just sounds more ''French'' perhaps.  ::)

Most Royal Dukedoms don't have Marquessates as you kind of pointed out - nearly all the non Royal ones do. I don't know why the Royal Dukedoms don't, seems a bit strange to me.  :-\

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #108 on: March 30, 2007, 03:24:17 PM »
The Dukedoms of Fife, Northumberland, Manchester, Lennox and Buccleuch have no marquessate, but the rest do, you're right. Maybe it's just a title that's gone out of fashion these days - I mean, since Edward is a prince, it makes no practical difference whether he's a duke, a marquess or an earl, since as a prince and HRH he outranks all of the above (except Andrew!).
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #109 on: March 30, 2007, 04:34:29 PM »
Basilforever, I can assure you that "The Great Unwashed"(  ;D) of the UK really donot know or care. We have a great many other things to keep us awake at night.  If you were to do a straw poll, a "Marquess" (Marquis) is a big tent that goes in your back garden for a really, really good party.  ;)
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2007, 04:00:26 AM »
Well Marquess is pronounced ''Mar-qwess" so they wouldn't think it was a big tent if pronounced in that spelling.  :P

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2007, 10:38:33 AM »
Oh, lighten up, it was clearly a joke.  ::)
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #112 on: March 31, 2007, 03:05:30 PM »
 ::) ::) But actually I am being serious ;)
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #113 on: March 31, 2007, 03:51:23 PM »
I have taken a quick poll of my British friends- and universally they  ask  "Why are you bothering?"' They could not care less about this nonsense. Like Kimberly said, the impending road tax is far more relevant that what balderdash some flaky prince is called. BTW, my poll is cross-section, Labour, Tory Lib-Dem and even, shudder, SNP ! About 20 answers at last count. Lest anyone think I am an "outsider" to affairs British, I have lived in England for 3-6 months a year for 30 years and I DO pay taxes there. No one I know wishes the Wessex's harm, but the are pretty irrelevent to  real life and they can call themselves whatever they wish.

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #114 on: March 31, 2007, 04:16:29 PM »
Thank you Robert.
I don't mean to be rude Basilforever, but we regularly have sick people sitting in ambulances in the parking bays of hospitals for upwards of 12- 18 hours, waiting for a trolley in the hospital corridor. Do you really think they while away the time thinking about Edward and his "Markwessness", or lack of?
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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #115 on: March 31, 2007, 04:53:10 PM »
I don't know if this has been mentioned already but if anybody is interested:

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2007, 05:21:19 AM »
Thank you Robert.
I don't mean to be rude Basilforever, but we regularly have sick people sitting in ambulances in the parking bays of hospitals for upwards of 12- 18 hours, waiting for a trolley in the hospital corridor. Do you really think they while away the time thinking about Edward and his "Markwessness", or lack of?
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Of course they don't. I never said THEY WOULD! In fact, I NEVER SAID PRINCE EDWARD'S TITLES WERE A MATTER OF NATIONAL CONCERN! I just asked a question on a forum of people who I thought might also be interested in such matters. Clearly I shouldn't have bothered. And Robert, you really wasted your time conducting your little survey, as I NEVER protested and said that everyone CARED about Edward being or not being a Marquess while he waits for his Dukedom, I just said that surely most British people are familiar with the title, and seeing as I often see Marquesses mentioned in newspapers and magazines, theywould be.

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2007, 06:38:00 AM »
Most people are not familiar with Marquess, they either think 1)It is French or 2)It is for ladies. 

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2007, 06:44:15 AM »
It is never a waste of time to ask one's friends for their opinion. What is a waste of time is dwelling on this silly topic.

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Re: Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex
« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2007, 07:21:30 AM »
Most people are not familiar with Marquess, they either think 1)It is French or 2)It is for ladies. 

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Marchioness is for Ladies, but you might already have known that.

This topic didn't start out silly Robert  ::) .