The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

I thought it was a butterfdly in shape, but it can also be a double eagle I guess. too blury to judge...

oh, alright.  ;-P


but...

while not ruling-out the possibility it could be a butterfly, which is it more likely to be, a pin w/ the Romanov double-headed eagle or a butterfly?      remember, she is a member of the House of Romanov, she is in court-dress for the Russian imperial court (the double-headed eagle is associated with both) and it was a (relatively) common practice for their heraldic symbol, the Romanov double-headed eagle, to be a motif on items such as cigarette cases, cigarette boxes, rings, cravat/tie-pins, hat-pins, hair-pins etc.      and while butterflies were also a (common?) motif as well, i can't recall ever having seen her depicted w/ butterflies in any form -- be it a piece of jewelry, a figure painted into a portrait with her, or on her clothing as a decoration or in the design on the fabric.     

besides, doesn't it just seem more appropriate that it would be an enamled or jewelled pin with the double-headed eagle of her House and her Home that secures her veil, especiall given that she is in the ceremonial court-dress of the Imperial Court of the Russian Empire?

[Martyn]

Well it looks like the double-headed eagle to me as well.

Plus far more likely that it should be such an emblematic jewel, worn as part of her court dress.

Considering Brian's knowledge and his extremely keen interest in jewellery, I am slightly mystified as to why anyone should wish to question his judgement........

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

Well it looks like the double-headed eagle to me as well.

Plus far more likely that it should be such an emblematic jewel, worn as part of her court dress.

Considering Brian's knowledge and his extremely keen interest in jewellery, I am slightly mystified as to why anyone should wish to question his judgement........

LOL!   

thank you for that  ;-)   

but, who knows?   it could be a butterfly.      it could be.     





but it's not.             




**wink**  :-)


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[ashanti01]

That also looks like a double headed eagle to me...

[Eddie_uk]

And me. I don't know what Erics on.

[Eric_Lowe]

Please leave personal attacks out of it ! 

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline. 

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

Please leave personal attacks out of it ! 

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline. 

you are, indeed, correct.   i don't have proof.   

and it's very unlikely i ever will.

[Martyn]

Please leave personal attacks out of it ! 

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline. 

you are, indeed, correct.   i don't have proof.   

and it's very unlikely i ever will.

In the absence of  proof a consensus of opinion, based on knowldege and expertise,  is usually a good way to proceed.......that's what we have here.

So Brian, much as we appreciate your modesty, we also appreciate your knowledge and the trouble that you take to provide images and discussions of merit.........

[Maria_Pavlovna]

Doesn't it really matter, it a pin?! I think it looks like a imperial eagle with a fat jeweled head.


more pics of Ella's jewerly? please!

[Eric_Lowe]

I agree. However in absence of proof, people are allowed to doubt. I think it might well be the double eagle hair pin, but if people are to doubt based on wanting of proof. they should not be ridicued (which is happening here). One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said. Anyway thanks for sharing yje information. I always wanted to see more examples of Ella's supposed "superb" jewelry collection. 

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

I agree. However in absence of proof, people are allowed to doubt. I think it might well be the double eagle hair pin, but if people are to doubt based on wanting of proof. they should not be ridicued (which is happening here). One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said. Anyway thanks for sharing yje information. I always wanted to see more examples of Ella's supposed "superb" jewelry collection. 

that is true, of course.   

and i do want to apologize for the rather (and obviously) patronizing aspects in my response to your "butterfly" post.      with hindsight, i realize i was being amazing insecure and looking for a more definate validation of my point-of-view, and i don't know why.    but, once again, i offer my apologies.

[Eddie_uk]

One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said.. 

Thank you for reffering to me as a friend Eric, veyr kind of you! I only do it to make sure you are accurate!

[Eric_Lowe]

I was referring to another friend...

Back to Ella's jewels ? 

[Maria_Pavlovna]

Who? me, you souldn't have!  lol, just kidding.

Yeah, back to Ella's jewerly, PLEASE

More more pics!!!

[Eric_Lowe]

I wonder if more of those exist...?