Stuart Bastards

[Prince_Christopher]

1 John Prior of Coldingham.
2 james Earl of Moray and Mar
3 Robert Earl of Orkney and Prior of Holyrood
4 James Stewart Abbot of Melrose and Kelso
5 James Stewart
6 Adam Prior of the Charterhouse
7 Jean (married Archibald Campbell 5th Earl of Argyll)
8 Robert Prior of Whithorn
9 Margaret
All by different women too,he was quite busy  

Maybe some of you genealogy buffs can help me.  I have heard that one of these daughters of James V married into the Hume family of Wedderburn. Can anyone confirm this?  Perhaps it may have been a child or grandchild of one of the daughters, but I think it was supposed to be a daughter herself.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Kimberly]

Hi Prince Christopher. For all the illegitimate children James had, there is a surprising paucity of grand children! I have yet to find any children from the daughters of James V. There is a very tenuous link between the Hume family, the Gray family and Robert Stewart in that an ancestor of the Humes shares the surname of Gray and a daughter of Robert Stewart married a Gray. That might be one big red herring though.Sorry I cannot be more help but Bell the Cat is very hot on this subject so maybe he can find a link.

[bell_the_cat]

One of James V's descendants caused a lot of trouble for his grandson James VI:

Earl Patrick of Orkney the son of James V's son Robert practically had free rein to do as he liked in the islands of Orkney and Shetland, and was very unpopular there on account of his oppressive ways. He built a new castle at Birsa in Orkney where he had inscribed the name and descent of his father thus:

Robertus Stuartus, Filius Jacobi Quinti, Rex Scotorum, hoc edificium instruxit.

Unfortunately the correct Latin would have been "Regis Scotorum" which would have meant that Robert had been the son of the King of Scots. The way it was written implied that Robert had actually been King! It was a major grammatical blunder, which resulted in his being executed for treason in Edinburgh (Feb 1614)!

[magicfingers]

Your second James is the son of Christine Barclay.  I'm still seeking the mothers of the second Robert and Margaret.  And I have found two different Elizabeth Stuarts listed (i.e. different parents) which makes me wonder if there was indeed a Helen Stuart and and Elizabeth Stewart.  If so I always find Adam with the Helen, but have found Margaret mentioned with Elizabeth.  As to the question of how die Marie de Guise feels about the mistresses.  Check the date of birth for the illigitmate children, most are before Marie's wedding in 1538.  Apparently James did not want to make a firm decision to marry, but enjoyed the field first.

Christine Barclay gave him James in 1528
Elizabeth Shaw  gave him James the Commentor of Melrose & Kelson in 1529
Margaret Erskine gave him James the 1st Earl of Moray in 1531 (not to be confused with his uncle the James the Earl of Moray)
Euphemia Elphinstone gave him Robert the Earl of Orkney in 1533
Elizabeth Carmichael gave him John Lord of Darnley
Elizabeth Bethune gave him Jean the Countess of Argyll in 1538
Elizabeth Stuart gave him Adam the Prior of Charterhouse of Perth in 1538
The birth dates for the last two, Robert the Prior of Whithorn and Margaret both are given as pre 1530.  So it would appear that James the V was out having a good time before he got married and when his first wife died he went on a grief bender again.  But the only children concieved after his marriage to Marie appear to be Marie's.
So maybe she just forgave his past and try to be the queen she was.

But given the male domination of the period, ie even the law said the rule had to pass through the male heirs, I can see why some of the illegitimate kids might take offense thier little sister, who never saw her father rule, take over as the Queen of Scotland.  

[miller99]

more, dear

Diana was a 6 time successor to Mary ,  Queen of Scotland, France and England.

That was a reason why Diana has a smilar character  to  Mary.



 

[miller99]

Most mysterious, enigmatic Stuart was Baron Friedrich Stuart. (I think he was a Charles II bastard grandgrandson)
Baron Friedrich Stuart was married to Henriette Kant, niece of Immanuel Kant.

Baron Friedrich Stuart was an ancestor to Count Eric Stenbock, Oscar Wilde friend .
http://www.brightonourstory.co.uk/stenbock.htm

    Kant: Briefwechsel, Brief 897, An Friedrich Stuart.
     
   
   An Friedrich Stuart.       
           
   9. April 1803.       
           
   Wohlgebohrner Herr       
   Insonders HochzuEhrender Herr       
   Inspecktor.       
           
   Die schmeichelhafte Zuschrift Ew. Wohlgebohrnen vom 20. März und       
   besonders die darin mir bekantgemachte Verbindung Ew. Wohlgebohrnen       
   mit meiner Brudertochter hat mir ein wahres Vergnügen gemacht, und       
   das in den Tagen meines Lebens, da man nur für wenige Freuden       
   mehr empfänglich ist Die Versicherung meines hiesigen Freundes       
           
   HErrn Jacobi, der vom HErrn v. Hagedorn dieselbe erhalten hat; da       
   die Verbindung für meine Brudertochter in mehr als Einer Rücksicht       
   vortheilhaft sey, hat meine Theilnahme an ihrem Glücke mit Grund       
   vermehrt. Empfangen Sie, Beyde Verlobte, statt meines verstorbenen       
   Bruders hiemit meinen väterlichen Segen, der Sie und alle Meinigen,       
   zu welchen ich von nun an Ew. Wohlgebohrnen zu zählen, die Ehre       
   habe, gewiß begleitet. Ich ersuche Sie ergebenst mich meinen dortigen       
   Verwandten zu empfehlen, Sich Selbst aber von der vollkommensten       
   Hochachtung zu überzeugen, mit welcher ich zu verharren die Ehre habe       
           
     Ew.       
     Wohlgebohrnen       
     ergebener Freund und       
   Königsberg  Diener       
   den 9 April  I Kant       
   1803         
     

[britt.25]

Thanks for this interesting info. And how was Diana related to Mary of Scotland?

[miller99]

PRINCESS DIANA ANCESTORS
Diana Spencer (1961-1997) is a descendant of king Charles II of Great Britain (1630-1661) through his illigitimate son, the duke of Grafton.

The duke's mother, Barbara Villiers (1641-1709) was not only Charles' mistress, but also mistress of John Churchill (1650-1722), duke of Marlborough and another ancestor of Diana.

The relatives of Diana include:

Kings of Great-Britain (Stuart family)

Dukes of Grafton (FitzRoy family)

Dukes of Bedford (Russell family)

Dukes of Abercorn (Hamilton family)

Dukes of Marlborough (Churchill family)

Earls of Sunderland (Spencer family)

Earls Spencer (Spencer family)
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Fitzroy family

Henry Fitzroy (1663-1690), 1st Duke of Grafton 1675, illigitimate son of "The Merry Monarch" Charles II of Great-Britain (1630-1661) / and his ancestor was Mary Stuart/  by Barbara Villiers (1641-1709), married 1st 1672 Isabella Bennet (+1722/3), sole heir of the Earldom of Arlington (she remarried 1698 Thomas Hammer), a son:

Charles Fitzroy (1683-1757), 2nd Duke of Grafton 1690, Earl of Arlington 1723
married 1713 Henrietta Somerset of Beaufort (+1726)
children:
Charles Henry (1714-1715)
George (1715-1747) married 1741 Dorothy of Burlington
Augustus Fitzroy (1716-1741) married Elizabeth Cosby (+1788),
children:
Augustus Henry Fitzroy (1735-1811), Duke of Grafton 1757, married 1st 1756 Anne Liddell Ravensworth (+1804), divorce 1769
3 sons, 1 daughter
married 2nd 1769 Elizabeth Wrottesly (+1822)
3 sons, 5 daughters, issue, Dukes of Grafton.
Harriet (+1735)
Isabella Fitzroy (1726-1782) married 1741 Francis Seymour (1718-1794), earl of Hertford 1750
children:
Francis Seymour (1743-1822) married 1st 1768 Alice Elizabeth Windsor (+1772), married 2nd 1776 Isabella Anne Ingram Shepherd (+1836), issue, Earls of Hertford.
Hugh Seymour (1759-1801), Admiral, married Anne Horatia Waldegrave (1762-1801)  -/ her ancestor was James II and of course Mary Stuart:)/
children, including:
Horace Beaucamp Seymour (1791-1856) married Elizabeth Palk (1793-1827)
children, including:
Adelaide Horatia Seymour (1825-1877) married 1854 Frederick Spencer (1798-1922) as his 2nd wife

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Dukes of Marlborough

Churchill Family

Winston Churchill (1620-after1665) married Elizabeth Drake.
children:

John Churchill (1650-1722), 1st Duke of Marlborough 1702, married 1678 Sarah Jennings (1660-1744), favourite of Queen Anne. John Churchill shared a mistress with King Charles II of Great-Britain: Barbara Villiers (1641-1709), mother of the 1st Duke of Grafton.
children:
Henrietta Churchill (1681-1733), Duchess of Marlborough 1722, married 1698 Francis of Godolphin (+1766)
William (+1731), Marquis of Blandford, married 1729 Maria Catharina de Jonge of Utrecht (+1779)
Henrietta (+1776) married 1717 Thomas Holles of Newcastle
Mary (+1764) married 1740 Thomas of Leeds (+1789)
John Churchill (1689-1702), Marquis of Blandford
Anne Churchill (+1716) married 1699 Charles Spencer (+1722), Earl of Sunderland 1702. Issue, see below.
Elizabeth Churchill (+1713) married 1703 Scroop of Bridgewater (+1744)
Mary Churchill (+1751) married 1705 John of Montagu (+1749)
George Churchill (1553-1710)
Arabella Churchill (+1714) married Colonel Charles Godfrey and had issue. She became mistress of King James II of Great-Britain (1633-1701) around 1665 and had further issue:
Henrietta FitzJames (1667-1730)/ and of course her ancestor was Mary Stuart/, married 1st Henry Waldegrave (1661-1690), married 2nd Piers Butler (+1740)
James FitzJames (1670-1734), duke of Berwick, married 1st Honora Bourke of Clanricarde (1674-1697), married 2nd Anne Bulkely (+1751)
Henry FitzJames (1673-1702), duke of Albemarle, married Marie Gabrielle d'Audibert (1675-1741)
Arabella (1674-1704), nun Ignatia
Charles Churchill (1656-1714) married 1702 Mary Gould (+after1716)
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more
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/dianalines.htm

[miller99]

Diana has many lines of descent from royalty. She descends from some of the natural children of King Charles II and King James II, sons of Charles I, King of England. Some of these lines of descent are from her paternal grandfather, the 7th Earl Spencer while the other lines are from his wife, Lady Cynthia Hamilton. As well as being a descendant of Kings of England, Diana can claim descent from the Kings of Aragon, Cyprus, France, Jerusalem, Portugal, Scotland; the Holy Roman Emperors; the Dukes of Bavaria; the Dukes of Savoy; and a variety of other sovereigns.

http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~canyon/diana.htm

[miller99]

One table...

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjchart.htm

[miller99]

Charles II ( and of course his ancestor ws Mary Stuart)
              born 1630
               |
              Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond and Lennox
              born 1672, cr 1675
               |
        +------+---------------------------+
        |                                  |
       Lady Anne Lennox                   Charles Lennox
       born 1703                          2nd Duke of Richmond and Lennox
        |                                 born 1701 (see Lennox)
        |
        |
       Lady Elizabeth Keppel  ===  Francis Russell
       born 1739                   descendant of Edward III
        |                          and of Aoife
        |                          seat at Woburn (see also here)
        |
       John Russell, 6th Duke of Bedford
       born 1766
        |
 +------+----------------------------------------+
 |                                               |
Rt Hon Lord John Russell, 1st Earl Russell  -    Louisa Russell
born 1792                                       ancestor of Sarah Ferguson
Prime Minister 1846-52 and 1865-6               and ancestor of Diana
portrait in [NPG]
died 1878                                       

[bell_the_cat]

Hi Miller 99!

I sort of agree with you about similarities between the characters of Diana, Princess of Wales and Mary Queen of Scots ( great personal charm - terrible taste in men), but I can't believe this is due to heredity. After all the majority of the English aristocracy has several lines of descent from Mary, largely (as you say) through the illegitimate offspring of Charles and James.

I'd be interested to hear why you think their characters are similar!