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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2005, 08:44:45 PM »
It is interesting that she used a patronym (Fedorovna) as a surname - you would expect Feodorova for a surname.

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2005, 08:47:53 PM »
I don't know what surname she used; apparently Owen, from the man she married.  I found some pic of him online earlier today, he was quite the dapper fellow.  I wonder--was HE the one that pressed her claim that she was Tatiana Nikolaevna?

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2005, 09:03:49 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2005, 07:45:30 AM »
Where did you find the photo? I found nothing on either of them. Do we know if her husband even made a claim. It looks like all we have are writings from a diary, nothing more. But I don't know.

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2005, 09:05:40 AM »
Anyone can claim anything they wish...and expect a certain number of people to believe them....for no other reason than they wish to believe...P.T. Barnum made a fortune off this mind-set....

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2005, 10:18:45 AM »
Topic is Larissa Fedorovna, not P.T. Barnum.

Please respect this thread as it is meant to be, a discovery about a woman whom some believed was GD Tatiana.

Thank you.

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »
Occleshaw is pulling his data from a diary by Col. Richard Meinertzhagen whom he tells us right up front on p. 4:

"Meinertzhagen was not always the most reliable of sources, I knew but I was inclined to accept his account because so much of the nornal documentary souce material which I discovered to have been withheld related directly to the trail stemming from the diary entry.  That in itself seemed to indicate a consistent thread, which was difficult to explain except in form of the attempted concealment of a rescue operation."

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2005, 11:13:46 PM »
Any of this affair mentioned in any books that anyone is aware of? I like to read about the claimants. I find them interesting.

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2005, 07:27:36 PM »
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Any of this affair mentioned in any books that anyone is aware of? I like to read about the claimants. I find them interesting.

You can read about it in Michael Occleshaws book "The Romanov conspiracies."   It was published in 1993 I think. It´s quite interesting.  There is also a booklet called "No place for a Romanov" by Sue Edwards.  It´s about Owen Tudor and his wife but really doesen´t give more information than Occleshaw.

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2005, 10:55:07 AM »
Holy Moses!  That pic, even though it's blurry, resembles Tatiana immensely when she had her hair like that.  Plus the face is very similar! :o  I'm not saying I believe this woman by far, but I'd certainly like to know more about her and view more pics of her.  It's too bad there aren't any more. :(

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2005, 03:58:10 PM »
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Interesting. It seems the grave marker says she was 28 when she died. That is so young and  so sad. Does anyone know the cause of death???
Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't seem she ever claimed to be GD Tatiana, but that others made the claim. Is that correct? If so, then she was techincially never a claimant, right?


According to Occleshaw, Larissa's death certificate says she died from heart exhaustion resulting from spinal caries and pulmonary tuberculosis.

She was never a claimant. Occleshaw had gotten the story of Larissa from 2 old ladies who lived in the town where she had been buried.

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2005, 05:09:56 PM »
Also, the picture of the woman peering over a shoulder is not confirmed to be Larissa...or anybody else for that matter.

It is just a woman unnamed in a photo appearing in the Harrogate Herald in Sept 1918 that was sent to Occleshaw by a former BBC employee because it resembled Tatiana.

As far as I know there is no photo of Larissa that exists.

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2005, 06:59:50 PM »
I just ploughed through this book after ordering it from England (American here) on E-bay.

It is incredibly frustrating trying to pin Occleshaw down to anything. I was under the impression that he seriously presents the woman in the photo as Tatiana, but the whole book is a mishmash presentation of "what ifs?" and "this MIGHT have been what happened!"

I'm not sorry I ordered it --- I will read books dealing with the Imperial Family with the same fine discrimination a slot machine in Vegas has for coins --- but it was a poorly conceived book, and did nothing to answer any of the questions it "raised". I say "raised" because in the end the questions were silly. There have been hundreds of women since 1918 that resembled each of the imperial quartet. I don't see the validity of pointing to one or the other without at least offering some proof as to her real identity.
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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2005, 09:15:26 PM »
I get caught up ordering this sort of book now and again. I want to read it for myself. I usually pay more than it is worth.

They are always the same, these books. Chapter upon chapter of unrelated unfounded speculation.

But on these boards I still read about that unknown woman as the "only" picture of Larissa. At least I know that is not true now. Whoever she was she probably was not either Larissa or Tatiana.

Someone just camera shy, me thinks!

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Re: Larissa Fedorovna/Tatiana Claimant
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2005, 10:55:13 AM »
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I just ploughed through this book after ordering it from England (American here) on E-bay.

It is incredibly frustrating trying to pin Occleshaw down to anything. I was under the impression that he seriously presents the woman in the photo as Tatiana, but the whole book is a mishmash presentation of "what ifs?" and "this MIGHT have been what happened!"

I'm not sorry I ordered it --- I will read books dealing with the Imperial Family with the same fine discrimination a slot machine in Vegas has for coins --- but it was a poorly conceived book, and did nothing to answer any of the questions it "raised". I say "raised" because in the end the questions were silly. There have been hundreds of women since 1918 that resembled each of the imperial quartet. I don't see the validity of pointing to one or the other without at least offering some proof as to her real identity.


L_C...for some....the faintest proof is all they need....