Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family

[Eric_Lowe]

I think he also went to Capri which is close to Naples and a gay paradise.

Also Ernst Ludwig was deemed effeminate by his wife Ducky & mother-in-law, since he enjoys doing embroidery in the evening. They exclaimed "He is no man ! " 

[grandduchessella]

Let's not get too far off the topic of George Donatus and his family please.

[Eric_Lowe]

The father-in-law...I wonder if Georg knows about his father's secret garden ?

[Kalafrana]

Here we go again.

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

Not really Ann. It is important to know about their relationship.

Eric

[Kalafrana]

There is also such a thing as labouring a subject to death.

In any event, I doubt there is any definite evidence. No convenient diary entry from Georg Donatus saying, 'Today I was walking in the garden and found Papa gazing at the stable boys through binoculars'.

Ann

[grandduchessella]

At any rate, that discussion would go under Ernie's thread. This thread is for George Donatus and his family--Cecilie and their children. Ernie's relationships with his children (Elizabeth, George Donatus and Ludwig) belong in that thread.

[1130 WNEW]

Did Johanna really have the legal title "Princess of Hesse and by Rhine"? There had been no Grand Duchy of Hesse for 18 years by 1936.

[Превед]

Did Johanna really have the legal title "Princess of Hesse and by Rhine"? There had been no Grand Duchy of Hesse for 18 years by 1936.

No, she did not have a constitutionally recognized title.
After the abolition of the German monarchies and the privileges of the nobility, royals and nobles were allowed to use their (non-sovereign) titles as legal surnames. (As officially registered surnames they were protected by the law and could not be assumed by just anyone. And they were allowed to be gender-specific.)

The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.

Johanna was thus born as Johanna Marina Eleonore Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen. "Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen" was her legal surname and she could thus be legally adressed as Fräulein Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen.

Before 1918 she would also have had the legal style Ihre großherzogliche Hoheit / Her Grand-Ducal Highness and had her title (referring to the state and not the dynasty) prefixed to her name, as Prinzessin Johanna von Hessen und bei Rhein. Landgräfin would not be a title in common usage before 1918, but a part of the dynastic inheritance she was entitled to share in.

[1130 WNEW]

Johanna is an even more tragic figure then her father, mother and brothers.

Death speaks:

There was a merchant in Baghdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, "Master, just now when I was in the market-place I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture; now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there death will not find me." The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went.

Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, "Why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning?" "That was not a threatening gesture," I said, "it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Baghdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra."

[Kalafrana]

Apposite story. Where does it come from?

Ann

[Marc]

The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.

What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.

[Превед]

What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.

Based on https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Hessen#Heutiger_Name I'd say H-P-(B) also use(d) Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as surnames.

[JGP]

The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.

What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.

See this thread...  Houses of Hesse - branches and titles   http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=745.0

[1130 WNEW]

The Hessian grand ducal family only joined the Nazi party because they had the vain hope that they would get their Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine back. Had the House of Hesse-Darmstadt not been wiped out by the plane crash and little Johanna von Hessen's fatal illness, they would have done what the rest of the rank-and-file Nazi party members did in 1945 - burned their party cards and melted back into society.