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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2008, 06:09:08 AM »

Did you think of this photo? It shows Maria Pia and her eleventh child Elie.


Oh, yes, for some reason I thought that's a first-born.:)

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2008, 02:22:23 PM »

How cute Elie is!! :-)) And Maria Pia is so tender on this picture...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2008, 03:42:22 PM »
Hi Jose, actually I was referring to Zita's sister Adelaide but your explanation would explain why SHE went there.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2008, 08:52:47 AM »
As the pics are all very small here...does anyone have a bigger or single picture of Hedwig? Why was she so rarely photographed???
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2008, 04:16:02 PM »
As the pics are all very small here...does anyone have a bigger or single picture of Hedwig? Why was she so rarely photographed???
Princess Hedwige attended the wedding of Prince Leopold of Belgium and Princess Astrid of Sweden in Brussels in November 1926 and she is only pictured in a very rare photograph where she was not cut off on the wedding guests picture, sitting at the exrtreme left, wearing the huge tiara. She is sitting in front of Crown Prince Olav of Norway and sitting next to the sister of the bride, Princess Märtha of Sweden.



If my memories are right, I remember having seen the only picture I know of Princess Isabelle at the funeral of her aunt Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg in 1985, published in Point de Vue. Have to look it up.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2008, 03:52:10 PM »
hello

I know that pietro lucchesi-palli was a cousin of beatrice. together they have the same great-grandmother, Carolina di Borbone the former Duchesse de Berry. She had a son by her 2nd mariage with ettore lucchesi-palli.
Elias entered austrian army but I don't know which regiment. he was regent when his elder brother Henri became duke. The same with Joseph.
Sixte & Xavier served in belgian army, in artillery
Felix entered a regiment of austrian cavalry before becoming inspector general of luxemburg forces
 & president of luxemburg red cross
but i don't know about the youngest sons. Maybe someone konws?

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2008, 03:28:13 AM »
1) Elias (1880-1959) entered austrian dragoon regiment (which one ? I don't know...)
2) Renato (1894-1962) was captain of cavalry in the Austrian Army during the1st World War.He got the Iron Cross. He obtained the french nationality but he was refused when he wanted to enter the French Army in 1940 because he fought against France in 1914-1918. He was admitted in the Finnish Army.He went to the States and, then, succeeded to enter the First French Army, commanded by general de Lattre de Tassigny. He did all the campaign of Germany as captain  His name was:prince René de Bourbon-Parme.
3) Luigi (1899-1967). He married Maria di Savoia. He was arrested in Roma by Gestapo in 1943 and deported with his wife and his two sons (Guy and Remi) in the concentration camp of Sachsenhausen,then this of Garlitz.The family was deliverd by the G I's...
4) Gaetano (1905-1957). In 1936, he joined the Requetes, (carlist army) and fought with the nationalist forces against "the Reds".He entered the US Army during the 2d World War. He went ashore  in Normandie in 1944 and did the campaign of Germany with U S Army

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2008, 04:00:04 PM »
Luigi ran  a farm in Mozambique with some of his brothers - Gaetano, I guess.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2008, 02:56:39 AM »
Yes. After the war, the prince Luigi di Borbone Parma ran a cotton-plantation in Moçambique, portuguese territory at that time.
Later, he ran a farming-estate in south of France: "Le Mas Saint Remy", 841 boulevard des Princes, 06210 Mandelieu La Napoule, near Cannes.
The prince Luigi died there in 1967. His grave is in the cemetery of locality.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2008, 11:04:09 AM »
I got another question. It's about Duke of Parma's brother, Count of Bardi.
I already know that he married twice & unfortunatelly had no child. Poor man. Maybe was he godfather to some nephews, I hope so.
Did he take part to carlist wars too? Where did he live with his wives? What were his interests?
what about the duke of Parma? I think he was very pious man, a traditional patriarch, wasn't he? how did he rule this big family? It must have been funny sometimes...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2008, 08:34:41 AM »
Hello, Tecklenburg!

Yes, Enrico di Borbone Parma, count of Bardi took part to the third carlist war with his elder brother, Roberto. When he was 21 years old, Enrico joined the army of his brother-in-law, Don Carlos de Borbon, duke de Madrid, the carlist claimannt to the throne of Spain. Don Carlos had just launch the third carlist war against the 1st Republic. At that time, he ruled half of Spain! The count of Bardi led a cavalry charge where the future king Alfonso XII was just missed falling to the Carlists. Finally, Alfonso was the winner in 1876 through the General Campos Martinez's "pronunciamiento"..
In 1873, Enrico married Luisa di Borbone delle Due Sicilie who died 9 months later in Pau (France) where was installed an hospital for carlist soldiers. She was the sister of the first duchess of Parma, Maria Pia. In 1874, october the 15th,  Enrico married  Aldegonde de Bragança, infanta of Portugal. With his second wife, he travelled in Far East: Siam, Java, China, mainly Japan. He collected more than 30 000 curios: side-arms (XII -XIX c), paintings, vases porcelains, folding-sreen...He gathered one the most important collection of Japan art in Italy. He set it down in the Palazzo Vendramin Calergi in Venice, inherited from his grandmother, the duchess of Berry, and in the Palazzo Giiustiniani Lolin, inherited from his mother, Louise Marie de France, duchess dowager of Parma. (Almost all the Bourbons in exile had got a Palazzo in Venice: the count of Chambord  in Palazzo Cavalli, don Carlos, in Palazzo Loredan, campo San Vio).
The count of Bardi lived in Venice but also in Seebenstein (Austia) at Miguel II's, his second father-in law.He died childless in 1905, two years before his elder brother, Roberto. He made his collection over the Italian State .
Nowadays, it can be found on the second floor of Ca' d'Oro, on the Gran Canale.  Upstairs, you can see a Enrico in Samourai's funny picture !!!

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2008, 04:09:27 AM »
Wife of Elias, Maria Anna of Austria-Teschen, daughter of Archduke Friedrich and Isabella of Croy:








father of Maria Anna as young man with his sister, later wife of Alfonso XII and mother of Alfonso XIII of Spain:




Mother Isabella of Croy:


As young woman:




later:





I have read that she was a huge fan of gipsy music, somewhere it fits her dark look...funny, I think she was beautiful, even when a bit stout in later years....She looks elegant here...


Maria Anna and her husband Elias:




Maria Anna and her children:

(A bit bigger version)







Maria Anna with daughter Elisabeth:




daughter Maria Franziska of Bourbon Parma:




I wished there were (single) cards like this also about the other children, like the early deceased Carlo (or Charles) and the others.

If anybody finds other photos pics of the children, please post them here and mention it!

Thanks and enjoy looking.... :)


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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2008, 07:29:52 AM »
Geat images...interesting about the gipsy music :-)

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2008, 09:16:57 AM »
I'm not sure, if this is right, but I read that she was socially very engaged, supported the work of Hungarian women and also had a passion especially for music of the "Roma" ...Somewhere she had a certain slavish-mediterranean look herself, so..... ;D ;D

There is a wonderful book about the family of Archduke Friedrich, called "Ein Fotoalbum des Hauses Habsburg", but unfortuntaly I do only have  it in Hungarian, so I only can see the pictures,, but do not understand the text...I ordered it some time ago and thought, it's a translation...but no... :(
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2008, 09:28:06 AM »
True about her looks...well,most of her ancestors were German/Austrian and French,so no Slavic blood for centuries...