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David_Pritchard

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Re: Titles, orders, royal law, regalia & rituals of the Spanish monarchy
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2005, 02:06:49 PM »
I recently received a rather long message in Spanish listing many specific questions regarding the titles and styles of early Spanish monarchs and their children. I will try to answer these questions one or two at a time for all to read.

Serían de gran ayuda los COMPLETOS títulos de los RRCC, de Felipe y Juana , a ser posible en su forma original en latín. Ignoro la completa titulación de los hijos e HIJAS de Felipe y Juana ¿Archiduquesas, duquesas, infantas, princesas y los territorios de sus títulos antes de casarse.¿Exixtió el título archiduque de Borgoña? Tras la muerte de Felipe ¿Es Fernando rey o regente de Castilla?¿Fue Isabel de Avis reina de Castilla y Aragón?

English translation of the question:It would be of great asisstance to have the COMPLETE titles of the Catholic King and Queen, Felipe and Juana, if possible in their original Latin form. I ignored the complete qualification of the children and DAUGHTERS of Felipe and Juana Archduchesses, duchesses, infants, princesses and the territories of their titles before marry. Does it EXIST the title of Archduke of Burgundy? After the death of Felipe Is Fernando king or regent of Castile? Was Isabel of Avis queen of Castile and Aragon?

Ferdinand of Aragon combined his titles with those of his wife after their marriage. In 1481 he used the following titles: Ferdinandus Dei gracia Rex Castelle Aragonum Legionis Toleti Valenci Gallecie Maioricarum Hispalis Sardinie Cordube Murcie Giennis Algarbii Algezire Gibraltaris, comes Barchinone, dominus Vizcaye et Moline, Dux Athenarum et Neopatrie, comes Rossilionis et Ceritarie, Marchio Oristanni, comesque Gociani.

Here are the abbreviated titles of Juana and her son Carlos in Latin, probably taken from a seal or document: S. Johane et Karoli Dei Gra Regu Castelle Legionis Aragonu Utriusque Sicilie et Ihrlm Navarre et Granate etc Archiducu Austrie Ducum Burgundie et Brabancie etc Comitum Flandrie et Tirolis etc.

The English translation: Most Serene Juana and Carlos by the Grace of God Monarchs of Castile, Leon, Aragon both shores of Sicily and Jerusalem Navarre Granada etc Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgandy, and Brabant etc Count of Flandres and Tyrol etc.

There is no title of Archduke of Burgandy. The title of Duke of Burgandy is claimed by both King Juan Carlos of Spain and Archduke Otto of Austria-Hungary. The Grandmastership of the dual Orders of the Golden Fleece descends from their distant connections to the Duchy of Burgandy that now exists only as a historical footnote rather than an actual political division.


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Duke_of_Lynnwood

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Re: Titles, orders, royal law, regalia & rituals of the Spanish monarchy
« Reply #91 on: December 07, 2005, 05:23:11 PM »
I'm new here but not really new to the subjects discussed here. It seems that when Royalty sparks your interest, it's impossible to stop being interested.

Well anyway to my question, Does anyone know what are the orders The King of Spain Juan Carlos is Head of and a member of? Golden Fleece is obvious but there are some other orders that I don't know about, because I see him with Stars on his uniform but I don't know what they're for.

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« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2006, 12:05:29 AM »
Given that this is Easter week for those celebrating that religious festival, on Holy Thursday, aka Maundy Thursday, it was the practice of Catholic sovereigns to wash the feet of a dozen indviduals at the end of the Holy Thursday Mass, in celebration of the gospel passage in John telling how Jesus washed the feet of the twelve apostles. Twelve persons are led to chairs and the King goes to each and with the help of the ministers pours water over each ones feet and dries them.  In Austria, Emperor Franz Josef undertook this practice on Holy Thursday, as did Alfonso XII and Alfonso XIII of Spain. The practice ended with the reign of Alfonso XIII.
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Duke_of_Lynnwood

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« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2006, 11:17:20 PM »
ne of my second-most interest in royalty, because every royal family has one, is the orders of the family. What are the royal orders of Spain and when Juan Carlos is running around, what decorations of what order is he wearing?

(this is will look very familiar because I'm going to posting this everywhere.)

David_Pritchard

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« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2006, 02:15:10 AM »
The Spanish royal orders:

Order of the Golden Fleece
Order of Charles III
Order of Isabela the Catholic
Order of Alfonso X
Order of Marie Louise
Order of Saint Raimundo de Penafort
Order of Military Merit
Order of Naval Merit
Order of Aerial Merit
Order of Civil Merit
Order of Cultural Merit

The four ancient Spanish military orders:

Order of Alcantara
Order of Calatrava
Order of Santiago
Order of Montesa

I have probably left out a few orders dealing with the armed forces and general merit.


dmitri

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« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2007, 09:34:54 AM »
The Order of the Golden Fleece is the one the King and Prince Felipe wear the most. The Queen and Infantas wear the Order of Charles III.

belianis

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« Reply #96 on: November 27, 2008, 10:41:20 AM »
... what titles do the descendants of Franco have?

Jose II

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« Reply #97 on: November 27, 2008, 11:10:56 AM »
His grand-mother is Duchess of Franco, a title that will pass to him via his mother, as Carmen eldest daughter.

Franco's wife was Señora de Meirás or del Pazo de Meirás, a title that belongs to Francisco Franco, eldest son of Carmen Franco and L-A's uncle.
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REMI

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« Reply #98 on: November 27, 2008, 05:42:13 PM »

Franco's wife was Señora de Meirás or del Pazo de Meirás, a title that belongs to Francisco Franco, eldest son of Carmen Franco and L-A's uncle

http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/franco.html




The title "Señora de Meiras" was created, by real order in December 1975, especially for Carmen Polo y Martinez Vldès (+1988),the Caudillo's widow.This title is not heredetary.

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« Reply #99 on: November 28, 2008, 12:24:45 PM »
So how come that Francisco now holds it ?

At the time I thought it was a meager compensation for having to forfeit (in the future) the title of Duque de Franco on behalf of his sister Carmen

belianis

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« Reply #100 on: December 09, 2008, 01:00:33 AM »
1. Will the enthronements of Philip VI and future Sp monarchs be identical to that of Juan Carlos in 1975, or will there be any differences?
2. How are Spanish kings buried? Do they have the same ceremony that the emperors of Austria had?: the funeral cortege arrives at the door of the crypt, which is locked from the inside; they knock; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: HCM JUAN CARLOS I, KING OF SPAIN; from inside: WE KNOW HIM NOT; the cortege knocks a second time; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: HCM JUAN CARLOS I, KING OF SPAIN, GRAND MASTER OF THE ORDER OF THE GOLDEN FLEECE, and all the other titles of the King; from inside: WE KNOW HIM NOT; the cortege knocks a third time; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: JUAN CARLOS, THE MOST UNWORTHY OF THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD, WHO IN HIS LIFE DID COMMIT MORE SINS THAN HAIRS WERE ON HIS HEAD; the door is opened, and the cortege enters the crypt.
3. How many empty coffins are left in the Royal Crypt? Is there a crypt already prepared for when the present crypt is full?

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« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2008, 08:43:09 AM »
1. Will the enthronements of Philip VI and future Sp monarchs be identical to that of Juan Carlos in 1975, or will there be any differences?
2. How are Spanish kings buried? Do they have the same ceremony that the emperors of Austria had?: the funeral cortege arrives at the door of the crypt, which is locked from the inside; they knock; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: HCM JUAN CARLOS I, KING OF SPAIN; from inside: WE KNOW HIM NOT; the cortege knocks a second time; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: HCM JUAN CARLOS I, KING OF SPAIN, GRAND MASTER OF THE ORDER OF THE GOLDEN FLEECE, and all the other titles of the King; from inside: WE KNOW HIM NOT; the cortege knocks a third time; from inside comes the question: WHO IS IT?; the answer: JUAN CARLOS, THE MOST UNWORTHY OF THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD, WHO IN HIS LIFE DID COMMIT MORE SINS THAN HAIRS WERE ON HIS HEAD; the door is opened, and the cortege enters the crypt.
3. How many empty coffins are left in the Royal Crypt? Is there a crypt already prepared for when the present crypt is full?

For the second question i don't thiink so. The Funeral Sercvice takes place at the Escorial and they are afterwards brought into a room where the coffins stay for a number of years before the will be transferred in the Pantheon of the Kings. There are only 2 places left in the Pantheon of the Kings which will be used for the parents of King Juan Carlos I. the Count and Countess of Barcelona.
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« Reply #102 on: December 15, 2008, 03:01:15 AM »
So 1975 was the last time this particular ceremony was used? Very interesting!

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« Reply #103 on: December 15, 2008, 09:31:42 AM »
Attention:  "belianis," concerning your post #1:     I personally have never heard of the wording and ritual used at the crypt in Vienna, being repeated in Spain, at least not in recent times.  However, "Stefan 22" is correct about the placement of the bodies in the "Rotting Room" that is entered half-way down the stairs to the Pantheon of the Kings at a landing on the left.  When, over time, the bodies are reduced to bones, they are moved to the Pantheon, is my understanding.  I have visited Spain a number of times, but have not yet had an opportunity to visit at El Escorial.  As to future enthronement ceremonies for Spanish monarchs, I feel that these will be very "low-key" with minimal ceremony as in that of HM Juan Carlos I.     Regards, AP
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« Reply #104 on: December 15, 2008, 01:05:48 PM »
The room is called the "putrideiro" and I got lost once and ended up in it.  Spotlessly clean and tended by monks. They very gently led me on my way, but I did get a look, at what there was to see [not much, really]  I do not know what plans are in store for the current Spanish Royal Family, there are other crypts, and I am told plenty of room for all. But the King & Queen- who knows?
 Mari, the "last time" this ritual was used, 1975? Well there has been no other King of Spain since then.  We shall just have to wait and see what happens next, but I agree, lavish coronations are definitely out-of-order, especially in  Spain at this time. It is no longer a religious ceremony, but civic.