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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2005, 05:37:20 PM »
I think it means that Mr.Schweitzer has been kind enough to share that information which can be shared
in a public way, and cautious, considering other ramifications, in posting other information. Seems
reasonable to me.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2005, 08:42:06 PM »
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It means that AA was not AN...but she was almost certainly FS....and that people like to play games.... ;)



Please, please Etonexile...Don't simplify things like this. Read the post more carefully. Besides, Dr. Schweitzer is here to help us with the whole thing of the DNA proof, just to show us that things are not always like they seems to be. If you and other forum members are rude with him, like they were with Greg king, Penny Wilson and Peter Kurth, we'll lost him the same way we lost them.  :-/ Greg, Penny and Kurth are professional researchers...we are not. We only analyze things after reading some good books, and news about the "Ekaterinburg Case" in papers and magazines. Why do you don't want to have some historical professional help here? I'm foreign and not always able to get all new books in Romanov issues, so I know the historical news in the net, and in this excellent forum (Thank you, Bob!  ;) ) I'm REALLY dissapointed to have lost so interesting people as King, Wilson and Kurth...Now; I don't want to lost Dr. Schweitzer who is so kind to waste his time posting messages here.

  I'm surprised when I see professional historians or people who is related to the Anna Anderson's case, be mistreated like they were. I'm very sad, really...We have the honour to speak with Greg, Penny and Peter and we laugh about their research and work (hard work!), we pour scorn on them and made little snide comments about that they said. I'm here  to help other people, and to know  more things about a subject that interested me since I'm 11 years old: the Romanovs

 I beg you to don't treat Dr. Schweitzer like this. All people here must learn to be adult (starting by myself; I'm not blind!  :) ) . Don't let this great board to became a nightmare.

RealAnastasia.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2005, 09:24:37 PM »
I thought etonexile had a reasonable response.
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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2005, 09:41:23 PM »
Seems to me that Mr. King recently posted a response, and I've seen Penny Wilson all over this board.

I don't know about playing games, but I am offended that only a few people get answers and the rest of us are in the dark.

Of course, now that I know that Teddy will give me a good reference, I feel better.  Now I just have to choose which country club or revolutionary cell to join.....

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2005, 10:04:34 PM »
Finelly,
When you find out the secret, can I be part of your club?
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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2005, 10:14:26 PM »
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Seems to me that Mr. King recently posted a response, and I've seen Penny Wilson all over this board.

I don't know about playing games, but I am offended that only a few people get answers and the rest of us are in the dark.

Of course, now that I know that Teddy will give me a good reference, I feel better.  Now I just have to choose which country club or revolutionary cell to join.....


Before you were on this board there was a great deal of abuse & disrespect towards Greg, Penny, & anyone who did not agree with a certain line of thinking, however things have calmed down at this point.

I am also not sure that DaveK got the answer that you think he received.  I believe that he answered a female poster privately.   We are very lucky to have the ability to post and interact with Greg, Penny, Peter & Dr Schweitzer.  It is also a great experience to come into contact with such a diverse group of people with a similar interest.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2005, 10:39:44 PM »
Lexi, you can be in my club, but you have to promise never to tell anyone anything except in private messages.  <g>

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2005, 11:02:19 AM »
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...[in part]....

One thing I wished later we had done was to obtain whatever pertinent comparisons there might be to the DNA of Nicholas II (male of course, and thus not mtDNA).Perhaps that may be done some day - like old-fashioned parental tests. Possibly of little probative value,but worth knowing.

RRS


I was under the impression that Dr. Gill's tests shows us that the bones identified as Nicholas II was the parent of the three sets of bones identified as three of his daughters.

Or,  am I misunderstanding your thoughts on this subject?

Or did I misunderstand Helen A. in one of the DNA threads when she told us this had been done?

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2005, 11:29:56 AM »
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As I and Mr Schweitzer agreed to discuss this topic in private correspondence (as he prefers that way), there will be no more posting regarding this subject. Just so you guys know…..


I assume this is the post about which Finelly seems to be having a little "I'm being left out" feeling.

There are many times posters who have private conversations called PMs.  It is not unusual.  It does not mean they like you less, it just means they have more to say to each other and may become more understanding of each other positions.

I'm sure when or if Richard Schweitzer feels more comfortable in the forum he will answer your question or at least explain why he prefers to answer some of these questions in PMs.

Remember: Patience grows more flowers in the garden.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2005, 11:39:03 AM »
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Remember: Patience grows more flowers in the garden.

AGRBear


So does a lot of manure!  ;D

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2005, 11:51:12 AM »
I know all about pms.  

I just find it disconcerting that on a question of public interest, only some people get the answer.

No matter.  I'm going back to my attempts to grow flowers in cans of diet dr. pepper.  It MUST work!

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2005, 10:27:14 PM »
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I know all about pms.  

I just find it disconcerting that on a question of public interest, only some people get the answer.

No matter.  I'm going back to my attempts to grow flowers in cans of diet dr. pepper.  It MUST work!


I also find it disconcerting.
And I know you know all about pms as do I. (just in case someone feels the need to tell me,)
;D
If that Dr. Pepper thing doesn't work out, try a Coke can. 8)
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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2005, 09:52:51 PM »
I'd still be really interested in hearing from anyone about what Schweitzer is thinking...what theory he is now exploring.....

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2005, 06:38:18 PM »
While looking for something else,  I, again, stumbled over something interesting, so, I looked around and didn't find a thread where it could be placed, so, not being afraid to start list threads,  I'm starting this one.  And this one is about people who believed Anna Anderson was Gd Anastasia before the DNA tests.

As we start,  I'd like to see names, when they saw AA and what made them deside AA was the GD Anastasia.  Please, give a source [book and page] and if you know the dates.

So,  I'll start off with Mathilde Kschessinska's testimony which occured in front of the French camerias during an interview in 1967 and what wasn't seen through the camera's eyes was taped to give us additional information.

FILE ON THE TSAR p. 223-4  is where Summers and Mangold tell us:
>>...When interviews about "Anastasia".... she was 95 years old but restill remarkbly alet and coherent.  Her son Vladimir was present at the interview , and had supervised all the arrangements.. He had even prepared a written statement for is mother to deliver... But Mathilde.. decided not to stick to the script, and when the key question ws asked, a very different answer emerged:

Proteau:  "Princess, in 1928, in Paris you met the woman who in those days was called the "Mystery Woman of Berlin'. "
Kschessinska: "I did see her -- once."
Proteau: "And what did you think of her?"
Kschessinka: "That it was she."

"..it was folllowed by a moment of stunned silence, and then there was an angry interruption from her son:  "Niet, niet, cut!  You just cut!" The cameras stopped turning, but two tape machines continued to record what folllowed... The old lady remained unabashed, and continued to talk for another half hour, expressing full confidence that the claimant really was Anastasia."

Oh,  I can hear the groans from the DNAers, but, remember this isn't a thread to prove AA was GD Anastasia, this is merely to show who believed she was before DNA testing.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2005, 06:41:37 PM »
The List of People Who Believed AA was GD Anastasia:

1.  Mathilde Kschessinska, the ex-lover of Nicholas II who married Grand Duke Andrei, saw AA in 1928.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152