Livadia's floorpalns

[Douglas]

Good question.  I guess one can take this information with a grain of salt.  This information came from the U.S. State department and who knows where it came from.

I did make another report on the 1944 conference and they all state that the food provided by the Russians for the American delegation was fabulous and lots of it.

The one thing that detracted from the meeting was that the President was in very bad health and died just a few weeks later.  He suffered from hypertention and lung problems as he was a smoker.   He also had spent most of his adult life in a wheelchair as he had polio.

Douglas

[Robert_Hall]

That report was given to the American planner by the Soviets.  They would hardly be  the least bit sympathetic nor understanding of the Imperial Family and their living arrangements.

[Janet_W.]

I visited Livadia Palace in 1991. At the time we were not allowed to visit the second level, but we did tour the ground level.

The information about Nicholas sleeping in a different bedroom each night is ridiculous. As Douglas says, it was given to the United States State Department by someone who obviously wished to promote the idea that Nicholas was paranoid (translate: an idiot). Obviously Nicholas and all Romanovs were aware they were targets for assassination. But the whole idea of going to the Crimea was to relax in an area which was far less hostile to the family than were St. P &  Moscow.

On the other hand, I can confirm that the story about the carved marble charicatures of Nicholas is true; our tour guide pointed them out, just as we were about to enter the palace foyer, and I couldn't help but think how the children must have been amused to see their father's likeness imposed upon the lions!

[BobG]

I just wanted to update this thread on the wonderful posting of the Livadia floorplans by Penny Wilson.  She responded in  another thread:

Thank you both for your quick replies . I hope I was clear that I wasn't suggesting that anyone scan in the whole issue -- or even the article in which the plan appears -- without the express permisson of the copyright holders.  I didn't know Atlantis had been reprinted or I would indeed have asked to buy copies.
 

Hi McLisa!

I'm glad to be able to help out.  Atlantis really isn't being printed anymore -- but I did one for Robert Hall because he's such a great friend (and it helped that he nagged!) 

Anyway -- the plans are now up on kingandwilson.  Here's a copy of the post that appears on our own forum:

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When we were doing Atlantis, Greg completed floorplans for several Crimean estates. This is the one for Livadia. It is a schematic plan, based on a number of plans drawn by friends who have visited and on other materials, and may be somewhat different to the actual plans, but the location of the rooms indicated should be correct.

http://www.kingandwilson.com/livadia/palaceplans.htm


Copyright info: The information contained in this link is the property of Greg King and Atlantis Magazine, and may not be copied or reproduced in any form anywhere without the clear written permission. Thanks.

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Best,

Penny

For many of us this is the answer to our long hoped for view of Livadia plans.

BobG

[amy]

Just another big huge THANK YOU for the floor plans. 

[xirbis]

THANKS for the plans!!!
But...
there is something wrong with them. Especially with the NW block...And generally - look at the pictures of the palace and count the windows - and now look at the plans, count the windows there...see my point?

[Alibubba]

Hello!  I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but I don't remember where in the White Palace the kitchen and other service rooms were located. It seems as if family (and state) rooms were on both the ground floor and the floor above.  I appreciate any info.  Thank you!

[Robert_Hall]

Kitchens and other service functions were normally is seperate buildings nearby, were they not?

[Sarushka]

Here's a link to Livadia's floorplans:
http://www.kingandwilson.com/livadia/palaceplans.htm

[Philippos]

I've been an avid reader of this message board for several years, and I'm glad I finally found something interesting to post. Totally unexpectedly, I found a plan of the New/White Palace's ground floor at the following URL:

http://ua.vlasenko.net/_pgs/pgs-html/pgs2-305.html

I know everyone has been hoping for an accurate plan of this beautiful palace and I was thrilled when I stumbled across this little gem while looking for pictures of Dulber. Since I can't read Russian or Ukrainian (I'm not sure which language the guidebook scan with the plan is written in), I wasn't sure what info the site contained.

The scan of the full page with the plan can be viewed here:

http://ua.vlasenko.net/_pgs/pgs-scan/pgs2-305.jpg

I hope this plan helps everyone understand the Imperial Family's favorite residence a little better!

[Vladimir_V.]

Nice link, Philippos!

Other floorplans from this website:

Khan Palace (Bahtchisarai) http://ua.vlasenko.net/_pgs/pgs-html/pgs2-313.html

Vorontsov Palace    http://ua.vlasenko.net/_pgs/pgs-html/pgs2-298.html

[gleb]

Many thanks indeed!

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

I visited Livadia Palace in 1991. At the time we were not allowed to visit the second level, but we did tour the ground level.

The information about Nicholas sleeping in a different bedroom each night is ridiculous. As Douglas says, it was given to the United States State Department by someone who obviously wished to promote the idea that Nicholas was paranoid (translate: an idiot). Obviously Nicholas and all Romanovs were aware they were targets for assassination. But the whole idea of going to the Crimea was to relax in an area which was far less hostile to the family than were St. P &  Moscow.

On the other hand, I can confirm that the story about the carved marble charicatures of Nicholas is true; our tour guide pointed them out, just as we were about to enter the palace foyer, and I couldn't help but think how the children must have been amused to see their father's likeness imposed upon the lions!

i don't know if this will help or not (or if anyone has posted it before), but i just found this page that has fotos of the Nikolai II & Aleksandra's rooms, including:

"Bedchamber of Their Majesties."
"Library of Her Majesty."
"Domestic dining-room." (ie: the private family dining room)"

http://www.serg-klymenko.narod.ru/Other_World/Ukraine.Crimea.Livadia.htm

[lilianna]

Even in the book about architect Krasnov there is no plan Ливадийского of a palace. But there there is many photo of construction of a palace, and also a photo of the Smart cabinet of Emperor, the Study of Emperor, a desktop in a cabinet of 2 floor, a cabinet of Empress, library and others. If it is interesting to you, I can send them on your mail.

[Condecontessa]

Here are some pics of the Livadia palace during construction:








Thanks to Lilianna for kindly sending me the pics.