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Nikolai Chebotarev
« on: June 24, 2005, 08:57:50 PM »
I've read parts of the book Blood Relative. The author claims to be the son of Alexei. The book also talks of conspiracies, and how the Romanovs weren't really murdered, and that the execution was a cover up. The book also mentions a man by the name of "Nikolai Alexandrovitch", who shared many characteristics with the Tsar, and of a woman, a countess(I've forgotten her name, whom some assert may be the Tsarina. The book speaks of a lady, whom Chebotarev called his "sister", and whom some believed was Grand Duchess Maria. She had many similar characteristics, as well as a similar injury on their right ring finger. Anyways, I find this a ridiculous story, and I was windering if anyone read this book?

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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
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The "Alexei" from UK

Name: Nikolai Chebotarev (d. 1987)



Recent claims are made in the book, "Blood Relative", by British history professor Michael Gray that the Tsarevich (from whom he claims illegitimate descent) escaped Russia with the Dowager Empress in 1919 onboard HMS Marlborough, and assumed the name Nikolai Chebotarev.
(...) Nikolai Chebotarev never publicly claimed to be the Tsarevich in his lifetime and so far no attempt has been made or contemplated to exhume his remains to perform DNA tests which would, unlike Mr. Gray's claims, resolve the matter with 100% certainty.  
(...) a host of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories involving forensic evidence tampering, combined with a loose (in places erroneous) interpretation of DNA analysis, advanced in a futile attempt to explain alleged body switch and DNA results which do not prove his point.  
From: http://www.serfes.org/royal/romanovpretenders.htm

Michael Gray is not the author's real name. His real name is William Lloyd Lavery and he claims to be the  illegitimate son of Nikolai Chebotarev ("Alexei") and princess Marina, Duchess of Kent.  
More info: http://media.dagospia.com/public_html/articolo_2272.html (site in Italian and with some nudity).



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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2005, 09:29:13 PM »
If this work were sold as a fiction, which it surely is, it still would not have flown off the shelves.
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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2005, 03:26:48 AM »
I've read the book. Does anyone know why it is no longer available?

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2005, 04:43:20 PM »
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I've read the book. Does anyone know why it is no longer available?

Isen´t it? Anyway I think it was an interesting read and well written when I read it some years ago. It is more interesting than several other claimant books in my opinion. Nicholas Chebotarev seems to have been an interesting person although I don´t think he was Alexei. The author seems to have a lot of imagination and phantasy when putting this story together. And read like a fiction story it´s not bad. I haven´t heard anything more of the author since the book was published in 1998.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2005, 05:24:08 PM »
BTW, there are plenty of copies available through Amazon and Bookfinders.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2005, 04:02:31 AM »
OK, you're probably right. But a relative of mine wanted the book and asked a library to get it in, and for some reason they couldn't get hold of it (if I'm remembering correctly).

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2005, 11:22:18 AM »
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OK, you're probably right. But a relative of mine wanted the book and asked a library to get it in, and for some reason they couldn't get hold of it (if I'm remembering correctly).


The head librarian was most likely intelligent enough not to waste taxpayers funds on such seeming twaddle....

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2005, 12:47:28 PM »
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The head librarian was most likely intelligent enough not to waste taxpayers funds on such seeming twaddle....

Rascal, you! ;D

If Blood Relative were sold as fiction (as Robert mentioned) it would make a neat sort of book, I guess. And, yes, it is both well-written and interesting (as fantasy sometimes is ;)).

One question: did Gray make up all the "sources" he spoke to, whom he names?

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2005, 12:52:22 PM »
I personally knew one "source" who was so irate he was threatening to sue. I do not know what came of that though.
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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2005, 09:38:10 PM »
Aaww! I didn't know this one, it sounds quite hilarious, but I must read it. I need something really good to laugh. I'm reading too serious books .  ::)

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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2005, 05:58:27 AM »
It is maybe onli fiction, for me is coincidence...

I'm looking for any information about my family in Nikolayev.
My name is Alexander Chebotarev, I live in Macedonia.
My grandfather's name was Nikolay Chebotarev, he emigrate in 1921 in Yugoslavia, after battle on Perecop, Krimea, and all his life he spend in Macedonia. He had no contacts with his family in Nikolayev, where he was born: his brother's name was Alexei Chebotarev, and he was member of personal guard of Nikolay II, he was executed with royal family, his father Sergey was also executed.
I read a few articles about "Blood relatives" and there is interesting coincidence?
Who can help me find some more information?

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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2005, 08:23:52 AM »
Go to www.amazon.com and order the book.

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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2005, 07:44:16 PM »
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It is maybe onli fiction, for me is coincidence...

I'm looking for any information about my family in Nikolayev.
My name is Alexander Chebotarev, I live in Macedonia.
My grandfather's name was Nikolay Chebotarev, he emigrate in 1921 in Yugoslavia, after battle on Perecop, Krimea, and all his life he spend in Macedonia. He had no contacts with his family in Nikolayev, where he was born: his brother's name was Alexei Chebotarev, and he was member of personal guard of Nikolay II, he was executed with royal family, his father Sergey was also executed.
I read a few articles about "Blood relatives" and there is interesting coincidence?
Who can help me find some more information?


Did you said that a relative of you died ALONG with the Imperial Family? I didn't read about him. May you explain this more thourougly? I'm really interested.

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Re: Nikolai Chebotarev
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2005, 01:32:00 AM »
Well, according to the informations I have (unfortunately my grandfather dies before I was born), his brother Alexei Chebotarev was serving as a member of personal guard of Nikolay II. In some occasions, Alexei was dancing with one of Tsars daughters on some celebration. He was executed, I’m not sure about details, was he executed together or maybe later. After that, my grandfather Nikolay joined the forces of general Vrangal, and after battle on Perecop, where he was wounded, he emigrate in Yugoslavia.