Author Topic: Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon, the Catholic Monarchs and their family  (Read 31713 times)

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FaithWhiteRose

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AND Isabel de Asturias, Juan's sister, Margaret's sister-in-law. . . it's ironic if you ask me. 3 husbands dying in six months time.

Bernardino

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3 husbands...

I can just figure 2: Prince Juan of Asturias and Prince Afonso of Portugal...who is the 3rd one?

umigon

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No, we're certainlty talking about Isabella, the thing is that I only knew of two officially miscarriages of the Queen: a miscarried son in May 1475 and a Infanta Maria's stillborn twin sister (1482). Aron had found some others in some other sources and we were discussing if these were reliable enough.

umigon

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Margaret did get laid by Juan de Trastamara. When he died in 1497 she was so shocked that she miscarried. It was a son of 6/7 months growth.
Juan and Margaret did love eachother and during their marriage their was a lot af action in their royal bed.


It was in fact a girl, which can be read on a letter from Isabella to Maximilian telling him the bad news.

FaithWhiteRose

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3 husbands...

I can just figure 2: Prince Juan of Asturias and Prince Afonso of Portugal...who is the 3rd one?

Prince Arthur Tudor of Wales, heir to England. the elder brother of Henry VIII (the tyrant with six wives) who was supposed to be King.

Eric_Lowe

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It was sad that Arthur died, he would have been a sickly but gentle king... :'(

umigon

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That can't be assured, Eric! Look at Edward VI... he looked sickly (although some historians doubt that he wasn't, I still think he was a sickly child from birth) and he was still strict and hard as a ruler (even though manipulated).

Eric_Lowe

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You got that right. Edward VI was drumbed into books as soon as he can read and heabily influenced by the New Religion . Arthur had less stress and had a gentle mother and family to keep him sane. His nephew did not have the same stability.  :(

FaithWhiteRose

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I don't think Arthur was completely sickly. It makes sense that he could have just been a teenage boy growing into his skin, but sickly or not, he certainly was not shaped like his buff brother. He seemed more like his thin, intelligent (though dark and suspicious) father. I think that Arthur would have been an OK king, not amazing or anything, but prepared nonetheless, because he got the education heirs' are supposed to get, unlike his brother Henry who got the education monks were to get. No one but God knew he was going to die . . . his brother was definitely not prepared to be King, because Henry was first politically schemed by Ferdinand and his wife Katherine when invading France and during Flodden (which proved fatal to their relationship) and then he took Thomas Wolsey as his right-hand-man while he enjoyed the company of Bessie Blount and Mary Boleyn in his bed.
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Eric_Lowe

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yes i think "morally speaking", I think Arthur would have been a better king than his unpredictable brother.