malisheva

[karl]

hi,

having red some days in this wonderful forum i want to tell my story and ask, if you can help me to pszzle the story....

my grandmother was a russian lady, she left russsia for my information in 1918 to japan (?) as my father told me.
she lived in st. petersburg was born 1890 (so people say) and was a really beautiful fine lady. she went fom japan to indonesia where she married a german plantage owner. the both had three children and after wwII the familiy went to germany.

she and my grandfather as well never spoke about her time in russia (why?). but is was clear to everybody in the family that there is a great mystery. from indonesia they brought also things from russia with them (and i will take pics of those and pose them here later).

she herself did never claim to be one of the duches - but in the light, that a surviver could be easily killed by the communists it i could understand this. however, here i found many notes and books of emigrants in america and elsewhere in the world who gave a sign of being alive - she did not.

her girl - name was malisheva and i looked through the files here and i found that there was somebody of the guards when the romanovs were killed had this name.....

now i ask myself could it be, that my grandmother used this name, to leave the country?

how can i bring light into this story?

can anybody help here?

thanks and best wishes

karl

[xX_Mashka_Xx]

You said that she never claimed to one of the duchesses, but it seems obvious that some people thought she was one of OTMA. Which one do you think she might have been? I highly doubt she was a Romanov, as there is pretty much no possible chance that sometime survived that night in the Ipatiev House. Interesting story though.

[karl]

@ mashka

thanks for your reply. well, looked at the photos here and tried to compare or tried to find any similarity...

its quite hard for me to answer your question because when i look to the pictures of the duchesses they all look wonderful but i am not a specialist to recognize them precisely. when i think about the pic where the four have no hair, i can not really say who is who...
also i have no idea about their height ( i asssume betwen 160 and 170 cm).

my grandma was tall and about 55 kg; on some pics she had short hair  as women wore in the 20ties but these might be taken in indonesia in the 20ties.

i don´t understand why  she left russia via wladiwostok and not like many others via the short distance to helsinki?
furthermore i don´t understand why she never tried to get contact to other russian peple in the world. i am wondering how it was possible for her to take at least two or three big "america suit cases" with her - full of expensive property?
although i have read an article in russian language that historians claim, that all the duchessses survived, she might not be one of the duchessses. but from her style of dressing herself and all the other features of her she could be closely related.  i don´t know who else is missing of the circle. from her face (the eyes and the nose - but not from her body mass) she could be a relative (younger sister or cousin) of anna vyburovna.  
but as i read here, it seems that none of her relatives were missing after 1918.
does a list of missing people around the tzar exist?

thanks again


karl

[AGRBear]

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[karl]

@agrbear

thanks for the help.
i know, that without a photo, help from the community is limited. i hope i can prepare several during the weekend and will try to post them.

additionally i will post a photo of my grandfather who is claimed to come from darmstadt, being a naval officer. since he as my grandma have no real history (it seems as if they fell from heaven) i find it quite funny, that the russian tsars had for a long time good contacts to hessen/darmstadt.

very strange story...

karl

[xX_Mashka_Xx]

It is strange, but most intrigueing

[karl]

that is my grandma. pic is taken around 1914 when she was 24 (if her birthday 1890 was correct)

[karl]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/mann-am-meer/oma.bmp

[Robby]

Sorry but i don't think your grandma was a Grand Duchess Romanov, sorry íf I insult you but that's my thaughts maybe she was a girl from another high rankt family, much nobel family's were murdred you know in Russia.

[RealAnastasia]

I can't see any ressemblance between this lady and the OTMA girls. You are able to check the matter going to several threads opened here, with lots of photos on them. We have hundred of OTMA photos here...But perhaps, your grandmother could have been a Russian noble woman, other than a Romanov.

RealAnastasia.

[Margarita Markovna]

It's also impossible for her to be anyone from OTMA and be 24 years old (in 1914 or anytime).

[karl]

@ robby @ margarita markovna @ real anastasia

yes! you all are right and i have now looked at many pictures here and elsewhere: she is definitely not one of the otma grand duchesses.

however, i expect that there must have been any relation to the tsars.

perhaps is it possible that the admin will shift this thread to a better place.


does anybody know with what strategy i could find out my grandma´s history? is there a list of inhabitans of st. petersburg of those days available (in the internet?). or other lists or archives?

what´s about a who is who mit photos? is that available?


thank you very much

karl