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Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« Reply #105 on: June 15, 2011, 06:12:18 AM »
Nevertheless, at a time when pregnant ladies tended to retire from view, it seems a little surprising that Cecile was travelling to a wedding when eight months pregnant.

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« Reply #106 on: June 15, 2011, 07:00:52 AM »
I totally agree with you that it is odd that she chose to travel at that stage of her pregnancy. The whole concept of flying is still far from safe and accidents do happen.

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Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« Reply #107 on: June 15, 2011, 05:33:38 PM »
While the children were not heirs to a throne , they were heirs to the title...it would be a questionable action regardless imo.  Thanks for that info Ann. It helps to explain why they were in a plane at all...it was but 200 miles and perhaps time was short? ....but airline travel was still very much in its infancy then and it just seems strange. I imagine the boys were part of the wedding party and that's why they were there...then the sadness of the little daughter left at home who  therefore survive the crash ...only to die two years later from an illness... 

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« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2011, 10:18:04 AM »
The whole thing was too tragic for words. The dynasty need not have perished had Cecilie and the boys stayed home.

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« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2011, 01:02:45 PM »
THings happen.

I wonder whether they decided to fly because it seemed that it would be easier for Cecile than a lengthy land journey plus a sea crossing.

But I'm still surprised at someone who was 8 months pregnant travelling anywhere, brother-in-law's wedding notwithstanding (I'd have expected George Donatus to go by himself, maybe taking the boys).

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« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2011, 01:08:32 PM »
In some cases, the ruler do not travel with the heir. When Ena married Alfonso XIII in Madrid, George & May went to the wedding but Edward VII & his grandson Prince Edward (David) stayed behind. Had George & May got killed in Madrid because of the bombs, the succession will still be in tact with Edward VII going to Edward VIII. I didn't know why all three males are on the plane...

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Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2012, 09:38:19 AM »
Coryne Hall wrote an article about the 75th anniversary of the crash. It was published in the November 2012 issue of Majesty Magazine. Of interest, it included photographs of Baron Joachim von Riedesel (Prince Ludwig's best man) and the nanny, Nurse Lina Hahn. I had never seen photographs of them before.

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« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2012, 06:08:23 PM »
Yes I bought a copy. It was from a booklet issued after the crash. This issue also included some good photos from Robert Golden's new book.

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« Reply #113 on: December 21, 2012, 06:26:30 PM »
I'll have to get a hold of that one! I buy it sometimes, when the historical articles are good, but it's hit & miss finding it at bookstores here each month.
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« Reply #114 on: December 21, 2012, 08:11:45 PM »
Hi Ella,

I would advise that you subscribe to "Majesty" a year at a time, as I do....
It is a good magazine and comes each month on time;  unlike a similar magazine that was very good but now has a haphazard delivery and concentrates on celebrities more than royalty.

I only pay for a years subscription though as one never knows when any publication these days is going to cease with no notice.

Larry

PS - now back to the topic of the Hessian crash.....

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« Reply #115 on: December 21, 2012, 10:39:35 PM »
Indeed good articles for a reasonable price.  ;)

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« Reply #116 on: December 22, 2012, 02:15:55 AM »
My grandmother had dancing lessons with Joachim von Riedesel in the 1920ies - in 1926 her parents invited some guests for an informal dinner and dance and everyone had to sign the guestbook with a little self-made poem. The young Riedesel wrote a charming line.

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« Reply #117 on: December 22, 2012, 11:05:48 AM »
Thanks for sharing that titbit. He seems a very charming & handsome man. How did he become close to the Hesse brothers ?

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« Reply #118 on: December 22, 2012, 07:49:55 PM »
Thomas, thank you for sharing the information about your grandmother.

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Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« Reply #119 on: December 22, 2012, 09:28:17 PM »
I hopped right out and managed to get the only copy at Barnes & Noble. :)

Larry--I have thought about a subscription but I don't get even the majority of issues. I only buy them when there's a historical article I'm interested in. However, there have been more and more of them lately so perhaps I will rethink it. On a personal note, I was crushed because, in the article on Definitely Royal...there was a photo of Queen Sophie. I had bought an old magazine page years ago because of this exact image. I had never seen it anywhere before or since and was holding onto it in case I EVER get around to doing any books. Now it's out there! I'm so bummed. :(  That's what one'll get for procrastinating!

Anyway, back on topic--the article has a few photos from the memorial booklet that was published after the crash. They are unique ones. The booklet has been for sale twice on ebay if anyway ever wants to keep an eye out for it. Once in ebay and once in ebay.de. I don't know how many were produced.

The article didn't mention it, but the newspapers widely reported that, given that a infant's body was recovered in the crash, perhaps the reason the plane attempted to land was because Cecile had gone into labor. I was always surprised she was on the plane--nowadays, you aren't allowed to fly past a certain point in the 3rd trimester given the changes in air pressure. I wonder, in those earlier days, how much was known about it. Sadly for the family, she wasn't prohibited from flying.
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