Mystic Signs on the Wall in the Basement of Ipatiev House?

[grandduchess_42]

i found this picture of the basement that the Romanov's were killed and that there were these signs that meant something. I'll post a picture of the signs and some art of the mystic signs. is this real or just made up?

picture of the mystic signs.

and art of the mystic signs

[lexi4]

This has been posted on another thread. I'm not sure where, but will try to find it for you.

[grandduchess_42]

thanks so much!  

[Finelly]

Nobody knows what they mean.  Someone decided at one point that they were the letter "L" in a variety of different languages.  But this turns out to be wrong.

<shrug>

[David_Pritchard]

If one were to consider the drawing of the massacre with the signs only, they appear to be similar but not exact letters of the Coptic language which is now used as a liturgical language by Egyptians of the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic faiths. The letters are from left to right: Iota, Lamda, Zeta, Gamma.

If the photograph of the letters shows the correct position (opposite), then I have no idea what they might be.

DAP

[hikaru]

Maybe, it is some kind of shorthand notes or stenogramme?

[grandduchess_42]

yeah see thats what i don't get. maby the reason is that the soilders scribbled on the walls or somthing.

[AGRBear]

At the moment I'm digging around for my notes which deal with Lysva.

Why?

The  word "lysv_" is written on the wall in the Ipatiev basement/ execution room.

Over on the thread:   Did any of the Romanov's survived?  we talked about the marks on the wall and Penny sent us a photo:

[too large to carry to here]


There was questions about what lysv could mean.

There is suggestions it was a place:  Lysev or Lysva, where the estate of Count Paul Benkendorff, who was known to have been part of a plot to rescue Nicholas II, was in or near or part of....

AGRBear

I believe those trying to figure out the scrawl thought of placing a mirror in front of it and they thought it read "lysv_"  [the "a" not quite finished or too faint or it was just not completed].   Some think this is where Alexandra and her daughters were taken.  Others think this was a message telling people where the "jewels" were taken..... Some thought it was mystic symbols....

The discussion of mystic symbols is very important when connected to the Royal family who lived in a time were there wre so many unkowns and the best way they could understand or accept things was to place the unknown under "mystics", "omens",  "witches", etc. etc. .

AGRBear

[rskkiya]

I think its the symbol of a 'red herring' (sorry agrbear)   -actually I doubt anyone in the family went to all the trouble of getting out a mirror, standing on a chair, and then carving/cutting it into the wall backwards...  If Alix wanted a magical good luck sign why didn't she use her favourite swastika?

I think that's it's a bit like 'the face of Elvis on the plains of Mars' - after all if Ivan and Natasha Filipilov (John and Jane Doe) lived there not NAOTMAA would anyone worry about these "mystic  signs ...I think not.

ahh well enjoy yourselves

[AGRBear]

I think its the symbol of a 'red herring' (sorry agrbear)   -actually I doubt anyone in the family went to all the trouble of getting out a mirror, standing on a chair, and then carving/cutting it into the wall backwards...  If Alix wanted a magical good luck sign why didn't she use her favourite swastika?


ahh well enjoy yourselves


 

rskkiya:  >>-actually I doubt anyone in the family went to all the trouble of getting out a mirror, standing on a chair, and then carving/cutting it into the wall backwards... <<

Someone did.

If it was going to tell someone where to find me,  or, the jewels, why would I not???


AGRBear

[AGRBear]

rskkiya: >> If Alix wanted a magical good luck sign why didn't she use her favourite swastika?<<

For those who do not know, long before the Nazi took up the symbol of the swastika, it was used as a symbol of good luck.

Alexandra used this symbol and I think somewhere on one of our threads  there is a discussion about her use of this symbol.

Found it:

Since Aleksandra studied philosophy and ancient religions she knew about this symbol and used it as a reminder of God's presence as well as for protection. This symbol is very ancient and pardon me for saying but it is rather inappropriate to call it primitive.

It is extremely widely used in Buddhist, Shinto and Hindu religion temples, ceremonies and rituals and highly revered. This symbol is also commonly seen and used in Hindu artwork, which represents the principle of divine energy in the form of the Goddess Lakshmi, the female Principle of God or energy Shakti.

The proper way of drawing it is with its vertical wing turned towards east. This way it emits positive vibrations.

The negative energy in the form of Hitler used it tilted by some degrees to the right, which changes its vibration and emits negative vibrations. Since every object emits energy, using swastik in this manner on every banner in his famous marches and rallies spread a lot of negative energy around and affected the crowds of people accordingly. It was one of his subtle means of misuse of power. The rest is history, alas.

AGRBear  

[Robby]

Not only that was found in the wall in the basement, but too: 'a rich man was killed on the same night by his slaves' that was found too, but what i heard were the signs, signs from a mark from a mirror. You can find that on www.romanov-memorial.com or somehthing like that. Greetings!  

[cantacuzene]

Swastika as nazi symbol was different to ancient swastika or wheel, constated in India, Mesopotamia, Egypt...  This last was disposed from left to wright, meaning the eternal mouvement, the seasons cycles and renovation of life, so a powerful and sacred symbol.
Nazi's one was inverted(from right to left). This sign inverted means the rupture of cycles, the destruction and of course the bad luck. any inverted swastica was seen before if not in black practises. It would be interesting to see which swastika Alix was devoted. Any dessign or paper exists belonging to her?

[rskkiya]

Not only that was found in the wall in the basement, but too: 'a rich man was killed on the same night by his slaves' that was found too, but what i heard were the signs, signs from a mark from a mirror. You can find that on www.romanov-memorial.com or somehthing like that. Greetings! � 

This misquote is another misquote by a Russian guard who partially remembered a german poem that ran alone the lines of "the King was upon that very night/set upon and killed by his slaves" (I will find the actual german text asap)
The german poem ( which I will look up today) was based on an incident from the Old Testament and that very loose connection has led some to imagine that the execution was somehow a "Jewish Conspiracy"  -utter rot of course - but to some people it appeared mystical....

[Tsarfan]

The poem is Belsazar, by Heinrich Heine.  The lines are:

"Belsazar aber ward in selbiger Nacht
Von seinen Knechten umgebracht."

The word "Knechten" is akin to the English "knaves" and could be translated as retainers instead of slaves.  (The original connotation of "knave" was not negative, as it is today.)  In fact, the German word for slaves is "Sklaven".  A medieval knight's squire was called a "Knecht".

An interesting footnote . . . Heine was a very famous 19th-century poet who penned one of Germany's most iconic poems, Die Lorelei (The Loreley), taught to German school children for generations.  The Nazis tried to erase Heine's memory (he was Jewish), and all poetry books printed under their regime gave the author of this famous poem as "anonymous."