Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants

[Russka Princess]

 why ? ^^  we can speak with all.

[Russka Princess]

What surprises me, is why Waldemar von preussen (the Oldest son of Irene and Henry) children never had. Though he was married, however none had kinder.


Why? is it not because he his illness to his children wanted to transmit, or could his woman get no children? does somebody know about that give?

[Eric_Lowe]

Could be. Why is a complicated question asit involved two person and one could be sterile.

Indeed. His cousin Rupert, son of Alice of Athlone had the dieces through his mother, although it was Alice's father Leopold, who was the sufferer....

[Helen]

She looked like a deb in her first low cut dress showing bosom and long arms. Very different from the dark nun-like dresses Alicky wore in daytime.

Showing bosom? Dark nun-like dresses? There is no need for such sexist remarks.
And if you would take a look at the pictures of Alix from the 1880s and early 1890s, before her father's death, you might notice that many of Alix's daytime dresses were not of darker colours than those of her sisters during the daytime and were not higher-necked than those of her sisters before they were out.

[Eric_Lowe]

Me ? A Sexist ? No I am far from one. Please no name calling please.

The clothes Alicky preferred were severe in colour and design if you compare with the Wales...

[Helen]

Me ? A Sexist ? No I am far from one. Please no name calling please.

Name calling? Not at all! 'Sexist' is simply how your remark came across.

As you know, Alix often wore light colours in summer - not at all severe in colour, unless you think she should have worn white or off white dresses all the year round. There were a couple of years in which she seems to have perferred dresses and jackets without frills or ruffles. I think she looked fine and stylish in them. It may not be your taste, but nuns did not dress like that, as you know perfectly well.

[Thomas_Hesse]

I would be very (!) interested in finding out how Eric is able to know the actual color of a dress the Empress wore?. Even if in those days there were b/w photographs only.

But to return to our topic: I think a photo of Princess Alix and Ludwig Battenberg - taken on Feb 21st 1887 on occ. of the Renaissance ball - has been posted somewhere here. If I find it I'll re-post it so as you can see the the dress she wore is different from the one in 1888

[Eric_Lowe]

Thanks ! You answered my question. The ball in 1887 was also are renssiance theme ball. It is different from her "coming out" or debut ball" where she wore the white dress. Indeed I think it would make a difference to see it.

[Thomas_Hesse]

For darling Eric: the first photo shows Princess Alix and her brother in law Ludwig Prince of Battenberg on Feb 21st 1887 on occasion of the Grand Ducal Hessian Renaissance ball in the Residential Palace - her first public ball.



and here is one taken in the Summer 1888 - the ball especially for her. You can clearly see the differnece of the dresses.

[Eric_Lowe]

I think we misunderstood each other. I am talking about Alicky's "coming out ball", and you are talking about the first ball she attended. In other times, the coming out ball usually comes first. Alicky's three elder daughters had "coming out balls" before other balls. The US and UK also had its Debuntant balls.

[Thomas_Hesse]

The second photo is actually from her coming out ball. The year before she was allowed to attend because of the engagement of her elder sister Princess Irene. An exeption - you see.

[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed. Poor Alicky losing her sister to Berlin ! Would love to know what feels about the change. Did she love being the only undisputed first lady of Darmstadt or sad that she would be alone now all her sisters are now married.

[Russka Princess]

 i think she wasnt alone to be still in darmstadt alone with her brother. But i think she has loved her three sisters, and they has visit ech other before alix has married . In the time where the father of alix was died, victoria and irene came right now to darmstadt to comfort her and ernie. Ella coulnt come, why i dont know.

Irene and alix was close to each other, cuase they has sons who has the same illlnes and  the two girls ahs shared the same roomlike ella and vicky. 

[Eric_Lowe]

More complicated between Ella and Ludwig, he was hard on her when she converted and so was Irene. Only VMH openly supported her.

Yes Irene & Alicky clincked on that level of sick children.

[Russka Princess]

Why ? i thought ernie and ella was very close to ech other,  and i thought ella with irene too.

or do you mean the father of the girls ?

yeah victoria was very close to ella, although they has argumenst, cause vicky has her own regulate and ella didnt like that