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Offline HerrKaiser

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« Reply #405 on: November 12, 2007, 10:53:50 AM »
Alexandra was clearly incapable of ruling a major nation, but it still seems like romantic fantasy that Irene could have, as Nicky's wife, avoided the downfall of the Romanov's and avoided the devastation of Russia's WWI entanglement. given the true facts of the 20th century following the end of WWI, had Irene been such a savior, she would then have been arguably the most pivotal, important person of the century, if not greater. This is implausible. What occured from about 1905 onward was a massive lava flow of rebellion that no one in the position of wife of czar could have successfully averted, imo. had she or anyone else been able to, she would have superceded the diplomatic, political, social, and personal skills of all the major European leaders, ministers, politicians, and industricalists of the time. It doen's seem like a reasonable assumption.

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« Reply #406 on: November 12, 2007, 12:04:36 PM »
If Irene was tsarina so much trouble would have been avioded like the 1918 murder of the Imperial Family.

Hmm, fascinating. Did Irene tell you that?
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« Reply #407 on: November 12, 2007, 07:18:21 PM »
Not craved in stone but speculation I think. However it is based on the different temperments of the sisters. I think Irene may get on better with Minnie than Alicky.  ???

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« Reply #408 on: November 13, 2007, 02:53:18 PM »
I believe Eddieboy was being sarastic and in this one situation, I see his point and agree with the historical spirit of his message. There is almost no way Irene would have been in control of powers and abilities to change what occurred. If she was such a person to be able to save the world from war and the romanovs from their executions, why didn't she accomplish much easier tasks where she was?
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« Reply #409 on: November 13, 2007, 05:23:15 PM »
If Irene was tsarina so much trouble would have been avioded like the 1918 murder of the Imperial Family.

Hmm, fascinating. Did Irene tell you that?
haha...sarcastic very silly. If Irene would have told me this it would have been 60 years ago.  Anyway Irene of course everything is not going to happen perfectly there will be some problems but not the 1918 murder in my opinion.

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« Reply #410 on: November 13, 2007, 07:56:44 PM »
Indeed...Do remember we are all specuating about events long ago. I agree that Irene would not have had that Rasputin non-sense business... ::)

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« Reply #411 on: November 14, 2007, 01:45:22 AM »

haha...sarcastic very silly. If Irene would have told me this it would have been 60 years ago.  Anyway Irene of course everything is not going to happen perfectly there will be some problems but not the 1918 murder in my opinion.

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« Reply #412 on: November 14, 2007, 02:12:15 AM »
Probable I think ?  ???

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« Reply #413 on: November 14, 2007, 05:47:53 AM »
I agree with those who think that in the (in my opinion unlikely) event that Nicholas married a Hesse-Darmstadt bride other than Alix, that Irene would have made a better job of being Empress, but I also don't think that she could have stopped the revolution - Russia was just too battered to carry on the war and the infrastructure was too compromised by corruption and inefficiency which had nothing to do with inept wartime decisions at the top to stand firm against the forces of internal convulsion.  If she couldn't have stopped the revolution, she couldn't have stopped the Bolshevik takeover, and it was the Bolsheviks who did away with as many of the Imperial family who they could get their hands on.  They did it coldly and without any recourse to excuses about Rasputin.  Ella had an excellent reputation as far as the public was aware, but it didn't stop her being killed.  The Empress Marie had similarly had a good reputation with the public but she only managed to excape due to the British warship.  So I think the Empress Irene would have been facing the firing squad just the same as her sister.

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« Reply #414 on: November 14, 2007, 06:18:20 PM »

haha...sarcastic very silly. If Irene would have told me this it would have been 60 years ago.  Anyway Irene of course everything is not going to happen perfectly there will be some problems but not the 1918 murder in my opinion.

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What are you talking about? Eric Your sarcasm has gone too far honestly if you don't understand what I am writting about it then don't say anything. Yes Irene defantly would not trust or be involved Rasputin Eric is right.

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« Reply #415 on: November 14, 2007, 08:45:57 PM »
Well...was I sacastic ? I just didn't get the point. Anyway sometimes people write things they did not mean or the tone it was written. A clarification always helps to reduce misunderstandings.  :) Indeed the Imperial Family will have a better chance of escape with the cool head of Irene than the hysterical Alix.  :)

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« Reply #416 on: November 15, 2007, 02:05:45 AM »
Oh Elizabath dear relax. Is one not allowed to seek clarification of what you are going on about?? Because personally I don't have a clue. To imply that Irene would have saved Imperial Russia from disaster does need to be backed up by reasons why IMO. Please don't go flying of your rocker.
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« Reply #417 on: November 15, 2007, 02:19:15 PM »
Well...was I sacastic ? I just didn't get the point. Anyway sometimes people write things they did not mean or the tone it was written. A clarification always helps to reduce misunderstandings.  :) Indeed the Imperial Family will have a better chance of escape with the cool head of Irene than the hysterical Alix.  :)
No, Eric I was not talking about you. I was saying Eric was sarcastic. Your names confuse me.
Oh Elizabath dear relax. Is one not allowed to seek clarification of what you are going on about?? Because personally I don't have a clue. To imply that Irene would have saved Imperial Russia from disaster does need to be backed up by reasons why IMO. Please don't go flying of your rocker.
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Oh don't worry becuase I am not. Anyway I am not in such a good mood and I am very tired. Your qouting my posts and saying sarcastic things though it realy annoys me it is very incrontrovertible or inconsolable. It realy makes me feel aserted into the miserable inconspictous, and dissipative feeling and way. Many areas I would expect to see gregarious apparently not in some cases. I will relax but not when I am reading what people write here is something I don't like. They always say to me where is your source, evidence or proof I am tired of them asking me that. I don't have to do all this to state an opinion or something I already know that should not be counted as luticrous or for sarcasm. I realy think Irene would have been more lyrical and less impute and shy than Alexandra.
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« Reply #418 on: November 15, 2007, 02:51:39 PM »
Sorry mistake I meant Eddie.

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« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2007, 08:24:55 PM »
My dear Elizabeth, it is common here to recieve cranky comments (as it is an open one). Just ignore them and you will be fine.  ;)

Indeed...Irene got along with Vicky, so I cannot see her clashing with Minnie had she married Nicky... ::)