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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2006, 04:49:53 AM »
Is there any evidence supporting the idea that she was a spy? Was any presented in the book, article, etc., or is this just conjecture? If it is true, I wonder why she would agree to act as a spy for either the Mensheviks or the Bolsheviks. ???

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« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2006, 04:54:21 AM »
Is there any evidence supporting the idea that she was a spy? Was any presented in the book, article, etc., or is this just conjecture? If it is true, I wonder why she would agree to act as a spy for either the Mensheviks or the Bolsheviks. ???

The fact is that there was no evidence of her being a spy. Just a speculation as there are no documented sources.

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« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2006, 05:21:13 AM »
Thank you for the clarification, Svetabel. ;) Since she was working with Maxim Gorky it seems safe to speculate that she may be counted among the Romanovs he either aided or attempted to aide during the Revolution.

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« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2006, 08:35:37 PM »
I wrote this for the wikipedia, but I thought I'd like to share it here first. Any additional information would be appreciated.

Maria Nikolaevna (born August 18, 1819 in Pavlovsk; died February 21, 1876 in St. Petersburg) was a daughter of Zar NicholasI of Russia and sister of Alexander II. She was Duchess of Leuchtenberg and President of the Academy of Arts in St. Peterburg.

Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna was born on August 18, 1819 in Pavlovsk, She was the second of seven children and eldest daughter of Tsar Nicholas I of Russia and Alexandra Feodorvna, born Princess Charlotte of Prussia. Unusually for her position and time, she married for love. She met her future husband, Maximilian the third Duke of Leuchtenberg, a grand son of Empress Josephine, when he came to St Petersburg in Calvary maneuvers in 1837. A year later he made a second visit to St Petersburg, as noted by Grand Duchess Olga in her diary “ in four days it has become quite clear that Max and Maria were made for each other’. It was not a desirable match for a daughter of a Russian Emperor. Maximilian was one level below royalty with the treatment only of serene Highness as member of a secondary branch of the house of Bavaria. The Bonaparte family had been bitter enemies of Russia, nevertheless the Zar granted his permission on condition that his daughter did not live Russia to live abroad. Since the duke of Leuchtenberg was not a member of a reigning family, it was easy for him to accommodate in Russia and live there. The wedding took place on July 2, 1839 in the chapel of the winter Palace. Her father made her husband and imperial Highness. They remained in Russia where their seven children grew up in the circle of the imperial family. The Duchess of Leuchtenberg residence in St Petersburg was since 1845 the Marinsky Palace, named after the grand Duchess. Maria Nikolaievna and her husband had artistic inclinations and where active in charitable and artistic causes. Maria’s husband was President of the Academy of Arts. The Grand Duchess was an avid art collector and after the death of her husband in 1852, she replaced him as President of the Academy of Arts. From then on, Maria Nikolaievana devoted herself to her collection even with greater ardor. Maria Nikolaievna made a second marriage in 1854, to Count Grigori Stroganov.   (1823 – 1878).  It was a morganatic union and was kept secret while her father lived. Officially the marriage did not take place until November 16, 1856, after Nicholas I death. Her sister Olga described her as more talented than all her brothers and sisters put together, but lacking a sense of duty.

In 1862, Maria Nikolaievna installed herself in Florence in the Villa Quarto, which had belonged to Jerome Bonaparte, and appointed the painter and collector Karl Liphard as her advisor. They went almost daily to visit Museums, private collection and antiquaries. In Italy, the Grand Duchess was zealous in her purchases of painting, sculptures and furniture for the complete refurbishing of his residence.

 Duchess Maria probably suffered either from varicose veins or from some sort of bone disease, and by the end of her life she had become and invalid. She died on February 21, 1876 in St. Petersburg.

On her death in 1876 Maria Nikolaievna art collections were divided between her three surviving sons: Prince Nicholas of Leuchtenberg, his brothers Eugene and George, their sisters Princes Maria of Baden and Princess Eugenia of Oldenburg and their half sister countess Elena Strogonova. In 1884, her son mounted an exhibition at the St Petersburg Academy of Fine Arts with the Grand Duchess former collection. In 1913 another exhibitions was organized at the Hermitage entitle the Heritage of Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna. After the revolution the collection was dispersed and now can be enjoyed in museums in Moscow, St Petersburg, Vienna and the United States.

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« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2006, 03:04:25 PM »
I remember that Duchess Auguste, Maximilian´s mother wasn´t very happy with the Russian wedding of her son as she thought this would be the end of the Leuchtenberg family and she was right as her sons children were raised Orthodox and under the surname of "Romanovsky"...

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« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2006, 12:22:21 PM »
  Miguelemejia,

Your info is quite comprehensive if you write for wikipedia. Actually it could be added more on the person of Maria and her relationship with 2 husbands and the Romanov family, she was quite a character.  :)
 
 
 

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« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2006, 04:47:30 PM »
Svetabel

it seems to me that she had a strong personality since she did as she wanted with her two marriages. if you know more about her, please let us know.

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« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2006, 08:42:56 AM »
Grand Duchess Maria was indeed quite a character and resembled much her father Emperor Nicholas I. ometimes the contemporaries said she was the spitting image of Nicholas, in appearance and regal manners.
But not in understanding what was a duty of a Grand Duchess. BTW, in Russia she was officially titled Grand Duchess even after her marriage, no one dared to title her "Duchess of Leuchtenberg".
The marriage of Maria and Maximilian was unpopular in the Royal cirlces of Europe and in Russian high society, only King of Sweden send his ambassador to the wedding ceremony of Maria and Max (Prussia, or example, send only a representative). Anyway the weeding ceremony was magnificent and the festivites lasted for 2 weeks.
The young couple was in love during their first years together but after some time they drew apert  in spite of that both had the same artistic tastes. Max was very talented man, had a great knowledge in natural sciences and arts, moreover he had a lot of common sense. But he was not totally happy in Russia being only a husband of a Grand Duchess, he clearly understood his marital status and situation.
Grand Duchess Maria --until the death of her  1st husband -- was always in the centre of high life. Some people considered her kind, witty and cheerful, some other people called her vulgar, whimsical  and too frivolous. She really liked to be surrounded by handsome men. Her liasion with Count Stroganov began while Duke Max was still alive, and a rumour ran through the society that Maria's son Georgiy (born in 1852) was in fact a son of Count Stroganov. What was the most interesting that Georgiy in his later years really resembled Count Stroganov as wrote in his journals Alexander Polovtsov in the 1880s.

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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2006, 10:49:23 AM »
But he was not totally happy in Russia

To say the very least. He became quite unhappy in Russia as he really had not much to do there and the climate wasn´t good for his health either.

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« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2006, 11:05:46 AM »
But he was not totally happy in Russia

To say the very least. He became quite unhappy in Russia as he really had not much to do there and the climate wasn´t good for his health either.


He DID had much to do in Russia as he was an energetic person, though with a weak health. The most dissapointing for him was that some of the Romanov family considered him an insignificant princeling who had had a chance to be liked by Emperor and his daughter Grand Duchess. For example Grand Dule Mikhail Pavlovich, brother of Nicholas I, had a sort of hatred to Maximilain.

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2006, 11:16:19 AM »
Maybe he found some things he could do, but these were not really necessary. And it surely didn´t help that his mother was very embittered about his marriage (the children of her only surviving son were Orthodox, had a Russian surname, the firstborn son was named Nicholas and not Eugen etc.) and over the fact that Maximilian sold his Italian property as Maria wanted... :-\

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« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2007, 03:25:57 PM »
Are there any good books on the Leuchtenberg family apart from Adalbert of Bavaria´s "Die Herzen der Leuchtenberg" and "Palais Leuchtenberg"? Thanks in advance! :)

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« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2007, 04:34:25 PM »
Georg 1872-1929,
( child of Nikolai 1843-1890)
X 1895
Olga
Princess Repnin
1872-1953  


Georg was the kind friend to Anna Anderson who was treated very badly by her in return.

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2007, 02:39:19 AM »
I am no expert at all on that subject, but I would like to comment that it is really amazing how many people descend from empress Josephine, first wife of Napoleon through her son Eugène. If you consider that she later could not have children any more, but has sooo many descendants. It´s really fascinating.  ;)
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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2007, 02:09:36 PM »
What was the relationship between the Leuchtenbergs and the Romanovs? Was it possible for example GD Olga N. to marry a Leuchtenberg cousin?