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[Baby_Tsarevich]

Were the Tudors related to the Romanovs?

[Arianwen]

Were the Tudors related to the Romanovs?

In a rather roundabout way, yes. The present royal family of Britain is descended from the merged Houses of Tudor and Stuart through Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII, and James IV of Scotland. The Stuart line continued down to the Hanoverians, who in turn became Saxe-Coburg-Gotha under Queen Victoria, and thence to the Windsors, so at least OTMAA were related to the Tudors.

Regards,
Arianwen

[Mgmstl]

In a rather roundabout way, yes. The present royal family of Britain is descended from the merged Houses of Tudor and Stuart through Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII, and James IV of Scotland. The Stuart line continued down to the Hanoverians, who in turn became Saxe-Coburg-Gotha under Queen Victoria, and thence to the Windsors, so at least OTMAA were related to the Tudors.

Regards,
Arianwen

When Mary Stuart was born her father's words when he was told; "It came with a lass, it will pass with a lass."
However he never realize that his descendants would one day rule Europe & Scandanvia.

I think Margaret Tudor is an interesting subject.  Most of European royalty is directly descended from her.  

[ilyala]

i would love to know more about her

[FaithWhiteRose]

There's a thread about Margaret somewhere . . .

[SavingNAOTMAA]

Henry VIII was the Imperial children's (OTMAA) 13th great uncle, I believe through Margaret's line.

[royaltybuff]

Tsar Nicholas II was also a descendant of Henry VII through Margaret Tudor. One of his mother's, Empress Marie, ancestors was Princess Mary Hanover of Great Britain - daughter of King George II.

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scotland - Mary, Queen of Scots - King James VI of Scotland and James I of England - Princess Elizabeth Stuart - Electress Sophia of Hanover - King George I  of Great Britain - King George II of Great Britain - Princess Mary Hanover of Great Britain - Landgrave William of Hesse-Cassel - Queen Louise of Denmark - Empress Marie of Russia - Tsar Nicholas II

I think I have it right. I am open to corrections or additions.  .

[mcdnab]

All the Romanovs have numerous lines of descent from Henry VII of England and Elizabeth Plantagenet (of York).  
As all of them descend through Sophie of Hannover all of them (who haven't married Roman Catholics) remain theoretically in the British Line of descent - the highest ranking Romanov in that line is Maria Vladimirovna (whose senior descent is through her grandmother Victoria Melita a grand daughter of Queen Victoria), the next in the list would be the head of the Romanov Family Association Prince Nicholas Romanov's daughters (he married an italian catholic so wouldn't be eligible - his children as Orthodox would retain their rights though)  - please note arguments about the validity of marriages wouldn't matter as Morganatic marriages aren't recognised in Britain (the only bar is lack of legitimacy or Roman Catholicism).
These lines are all based on male preference primogeniture as operated by the UK system.

NOTE 1:

As James I and VI has two lines of descent from Henry VII (the most direct is through his mother Mary however he was also descended through his father Lord Darnley) all lines from him to the Romanov's would actually count as two lines of descent.

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - Margaret Douglas Countess of Lennox - Henry Stuart Lord Darnley - James VI and I
or
Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V - Mary I of Scots - James VI and I

These two lines give you a Tudor descent for all the Imperial family through the Prussian Royal House - this is the line that would effectively put them in the British Succession behind every single male line descendant of George I .

Line 1 - Descent through the only daughter of George I of Great Britain

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - Sophia Dorothea of Hannover - Prince August William of Prussia - Frederick William II of Prussia - Frederick William III of Prussia - Princess Charlotte of Russia (the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia) - Alexander II of Russia - Alexander III of Russia - Nicholas II of Russia.

Line 2 - Descent through the only surviving sister of George I Sophia Charlotte of Hannover.

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - Sophia Charlotte of Hannover - Frederick William I of Prussia - Prince August William of Prussia - Frederick William II of Prussia - Frederick William III of Prussia -  Princess Charlotte of Russia (the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia) - Alexander II of Russia - Alexander III of Russia - Nicholas II of Russia.

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Will post the following lines in a moment - all the ones posted in the next message supersede the above

[mcdnab]

The below lines would supersede the above:

Line 3:  This is the most senior British Line that connects to the Romanov family. ( Maria Vladimirovna's son would also have a claim through his father through his descent from Queen Victoria's eldest daughter how his mother's descent from Prince Alfred is senior)

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain and Hannover - Frederick Prince of Wales - George III - William Duke of Kent - Victoria of Great Britain - Alfred Duke of Edinburgh - Victoria Melita - Prince Vladimir Kyrillovitch of Russia - Maria Vladimirovna Romanov - George Romanov

Line 4: This is the second most senior Royal Line to the Romanov's (descent from the eldest daughter of George II of Great Britain)

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain and Hannover - Anne, Princess Royal - Princess Carolina of Orange-Nassau -Frederick William, Prince of Nassau-Weilburg - Wilhelm, Duke of Nassau - Princess Therese of Nassau - Duchess Alexandra of Oldenburg ( Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna of Russia) - (HIH Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich  no issue) and HIH  Grand Duke Peter Nikolaevich of Russia - HH Prince Roman Petrovitch of Russia - Prince Nicholas Romanovich Romanov.

Line 5: This is the next senior line descent from the second daughter of George II.  Note HIH Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna is a descendant in this line however her descendants have a senior claim through their Swedish Royal Line (descent from Caroline Matilda of Wales sister of George III of Great Britain)

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain - Mary Princess of Great Britain - Frederick III Landgrave of Hesse Kassell - William X of Hesse Kassell - Louise of Hesse Kassell - Prince William of Denmark (george I of Greece) - Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark - HIH Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovitch of Russia -

Line 6: This descent is same as above but follows as Marie is the younger daughter of George I of Greece.

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain - Mary Princess of Great Britain - Frederick III Landgrave of Hesse Kassell - William X of Hesse Kassell - Louise of Hesse Kassell - Prince William of Denmark (george I of Greece) - Princess Marie of Greece and Denmark - HH Princess Nina Georgievna  of Russia & HH Princess Xenia Georgievna of Russia


Line 7: Descent of Nicholas II from Henry VII through his mother Dagmar of Denmark - same line as the above two but junior as Dagmar would follow in succession after her brother William.  (the only eligible descendants today of this line or firstly the descendants of HIH the Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna then the descendants of HIH The Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna)

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain - Mary Princess of Great Britain - Frederick III Landgrave of Hesse Kassell - William X of Hesse Kassell - Louise of Hesse Kassell - Dagmar Princess of Denmark (the Empress Marie Feodorovna of Russia) - Nicholas II of Russia

Line 8: This is the next in order descent from the youngest daughter of George II - however Sandro's descendants have a senior claim through their descent from Xenia Alexandrovna whilst the daughter of Sandro's brother Nadejda married a Mountbatten and her descendants also have a higher descent.

Henry VII - Margaret Tudor - James V of Scots - Mary Stuart Queen of Scots - James Stuart I and VI King of England, Scotland and Ireland - Elizabeth Stuart - Sophia Countess Palatine - George I of Great Britain and Hannover - George II of Great Britain - Princess Louise of Great Britain - Princess Sophia Magdalena of Denmark - King Gustav VI of Sweden - Princess Sophie of Sweden - Princess Cecile of Baden ( Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna)  - issue - Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovich of Russia,  Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia, Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich of Russia, Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia, Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich (sandro), Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich of Russia, Grand Duke Alexei Mikhailovich of Russia.