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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #135 on: December 26, 2005, 10:19:41 AM »
There are disputes . . . some say she was about 19.
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« Reply #136 on: December 28, 2005, 03:49:47 PM »
thats what i was taught :P
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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #137 on: December 29, 2005, 12:26:58 AM »
I'm not sure either. I'm just going by what it says on the timeline in the book "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" by Alison Wier.

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« Reply #138 on: December 29, 2005, 04:08:20 AM »
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interesting that it took henry that long to take action against her. in the anne boleyn thread there's the talk of how fast he acted against her (in three weeks she was dead). with katherine howard, henry took two months to condemn her...  


The difference was that in 1536, Henry had his next wife lined up and waiting, whereas in 1541-2 he was in no special hurry.

Also he was genuinely devastated by the way things turned out with Catherine Howard. At first it seems he was willing to forgive her indiscretions before the marriage, but when it turned out she had being seeing Culpeper secretly all that summer, he felt betrayed.

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« Reply #139 on: December 29, 2005, 04:09:03 AM »
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Katherine Howard:

-Born in 1525
-1st? cousin to Anne Boleyn
-5th Queen to Henry VIII
-28 July 1540 Marriage of Henry VIII to Katherine Howard
-1 Nov. 1540 Henry VIII informed of Katherine's "misconduct"
-7 Feb. 1541 Katherine Howard was condemned to death
-13 Feb. Katherine Howard was Executed


We don't know when she was born exactly. However he was informed of her misconduct in Nov. 1541 and executed in Feb. 1542. Her father Edmund was the brother of Anne Boleyn's mother Elizabeth Howard.
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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #140 on: December 29, 2005, 06:18:02 AM »
Yes, Starkey reckons her birth year to be about 1520 but we cannot know for sure.
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« Reply #141 on: December 29, 2005, 08:31:01 AM »
Some put her date of birth as late as 1525! That would mean she was only about 13 when the music teacher incidents took place, and only 15 when she married Henry!

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« Reply #142 on: December 29, 2005, 05:23:02 PM »
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The difference was that in 1536, Henry had his next wife lined up and waiting, whereas in 1541-2 he was in no special hurry.

Also he was genuinely devastated by the way things turned out with Catherine Howard. At first it seems he was willing to forgive her indiscretions before the marriage, but when it turned out she had being seeing Culpeper secretly all that summer, he felt betrayed.



i read that when he found out about her before marriage conduct he wanted to annull the marriage and place her in a convent. when he found out that she was unfaithfull to him he decided to execute her.

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« Reply #143 on: December 29, 2005, 06:28:01 PM »
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My favorites are the Horenbout miniature and the portrait of her at Hever(clutching a rose). IMO she is beautiful in these portraits and you can see  why Henry was so attracted toward her


But Kimberly, objectively speaking, don't you think that the Horenbout miniature and the Hever portrait bear very little resemblance to one another? The noses and chins, for example, are completely different. To me the Horenbout miniature looks more like the above portrait of Mary Boleyn than it does any portrait of Anne. Even if you compare the famous portrait in the National Gallery, where Anne Boleyn wears the necklace with the pendant "B," it bears obvious resemblance to the Hever portrait and none at all to the Horenbout miniature.

But I wonder why there are so many disputes over Anne Boleyn's portraits. It rather indicates to me that some destruction of her likeness went on in the immediate aftermath of her downfall and execution. A similar thing seems to have happened to Katherine Howard. But I'm speculating here. What's your opinion?

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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #144 on: December 30, 2005, 03:19:52 PM »
You are quite right Elisabeth, the Horenbout miniature looks nothing like the famous portrait of Anne with her famous AB pendant, indeed this one and the one at Hever with her clutching the rose are indeed similar. However, have you seen the portrait of Anne painted by Holbein (I think) It is a side view and Anne has slightly protruding eyes...now this one has a definate resemblance to the Horenbout. I just happen to love miniatures and I admire Horenbout's works as things of beauty.
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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #145 on: December 30, 2005, 03:22:16 PM »
Also re the "authentic "portrait of Catherine Howard and the portrait of Katherine Parr which was once thought to be Jane Grey. Have a good look at the necklaces worn by these ladies, I am sure it is one and the same ;)
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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #146 on: December 30, 2005, 04:56:47 PM »
could it be that they had the same jewels because they were both queens?

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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #147 on: December 31, 2005, 12:34:08 AM »
Exactly my point Ilyala, I think this jewel is the one the historians are looking at when they positively identify the sitters as Queens.
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« Reply #148 on: December 31, 2005, 05:00:27 AM »
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Exactly my point Ilyala, I think this jewel is the one the historians are looking at when they positively identify the sitters as Queens.



Is this the one you mean, Kim?



It's the one Jane Seymour wears in the famous "biting a wasp" portrait. It looks like the Catharine Howard jewel to me, but the Catharine Parr one is a different setting. The pendant looks very similar, except it is a green stone above a red stone.

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Re: Six Wives of Henry VIII
« Reply #149 on: December 31, 2005, 03:47:11 PM »
Wow where did you find that picture :o
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