Stuart portraiture

[bluetoria]

Here is Mary Q. of Scots:



Mary being played to by Rizzio (A Victorian version!):




and James I (VI)




These are all taken from a beautiful book "Bittersweet within my heart" which is a collection of poetry by Mary written in French & Italian. I would be happy to post some of the poems if anyone is interested....

[trentk80]

Thanks for the pictures. You're very kind, Cantacuzene. Please post some of Mary's poems. I'd like to read them.

[cantacuzene]

 Much lesser than you are, Trenck

Bluetoria, I would love read these poems. Please post them (could you in both languages?)Portrait of Mary S is fine psichological. She is a white widow there, isn't it?

Dear Blanche , I will post the portraits you are interesting in.

                                       kisses for you

[cantacuzene]

Has someone read Mary stuart of Stephan Swaitz (I think it's wrongly written) It is unbelievible. This man seems sometimes a woman. Such he is able to enter the most deep secrets of every woman heart. and I would dare to assure that the one of M Antoinette is even better. I think there is not biographist better.

[cantacuzene]

No one ? You should  

Blanche , this is Henriette d'Angleterre, so called in france. Her mother was called Henriette de France in England. she was her sole daughter, sister of Carles II Stuart, on the top of the page, and sister too of king James II.

[Kimberly]

Please excuse my ignorance here but was she known as " Minette" and did she have a very unhappy life with her husband?
( I mean Henriette Anne, Duchesse D'Orleans)

[trentk80]

Please excuse my ignorance here but was she known as " Minette" and did she have a very unhappy life with her husband?
( I mean Henriette Anne, Duchesse D'Orleans)

Yes, she had a very unhappy life with her husband, who was said to be homosexual and had lovers. Nevertheless the couple produced three children: Marie Louise (1662-1689), wife of King Charles II of Spain, Philip Charles (1664-1666), and Anne Marie, (1669-1728), wife of Duke Victor Amadeo II of Savoy. Henriette Anne was also rumoured to be the mistress of her brother-in-law, King Louis XIV.

She died suddenly on 30 June 1670 aged only twenty-six. At the time of her death it was widely believed that Henriette Anne had been poisoned by her husband's jealous lover, the Chevalier de Lorraine or even by her husband himself, but it was established that she had died of natural causes

[Kimberly]

Go for it, I think it would be fascinating

[cantacuzene]

I would love this new topic you mean. go on, Blanche.
You'll have your giant Mary S. Everybody loves this portrait, you know, without exception . It's great.

Kimberly, I am ignorant and you are nice.

thanks trenck for your thread. Umigon called minette (pretty) hysterical i I and anxious he will return from holidays to ask him for this oppinion. I wonder if someone has a big good portrait of Anne Hyde. It's difficult to get.

[bluetoria]

I  I wonder if someone has a big good portrait of Anne Hyde. It's difficult to get.

Will this do??  

[cantacuzene]

Thank you very much Bluetoria. It's great  

[cantacuzene]

To Blanche

[ilyala]

i'm sorry for replying so late, i was away on holiday

first of all i love all these portraits, they are amazing

second of all i have read stefan zweig's biographies of both mary stuart and mary antoinette. they are amazingly written and are one of the reasons i am so fascinated with history... mary stuart's biography by zweig was one of the first historical books i ever read. i recommend them to anyone who enjoys a good reading, not just historical reading.

[umigon]

Well, I am back, ready to write about Minette and her lack of self-control!


Yes, although inteligent and witty, young Minette was a bit of a hysterical character. When she faught with Monsieur about his male lovers, she screamed loudly and even threw things to him in public - not a good behaviour in a royal person, even if she was being cheated by her husband with other men!

She not always got so badly with him, though and, yes, during the first times of her marriage she was Louis XIV's lover for a while (some even claim her daughter Marie Louise was Louis's daughter and not Monsieeur's). She then had an affair with Armand de Guiche, her husbands former lover!


Actually, she had 8 children: the three children mentioned by Trenk, two stillborn daughters and three stillborn sons!

[cantacuzene]

Finally, my beloved Ilyala and Umigon. I am so happy for your return! I was asleep in your absence, now I'm awake. If winter returns I will close my eyes again