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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2005, 01:02:52 PM »
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Dear boy, isn't that what you are doing all this week  ;D


That's beside the point . . .
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« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2005, 09:25:50 PM »
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Has anyone read "Elizabeth, Captive Princess" by Margaret Irwin? It was the first historical novel I ever read! I think it's from the 1950s. It's about Elizabeth in the reign of Mary.



 


Yes, I have read it. Also, the one that came before, "Young Bess," by Margaret Irwin. It was made into what is now a great classic movie starring Jean Simmons and Stewart Granger - a GREAT love story about the teenage Elizabeth's fatal romance with Thomas Seymour.

I grew up reading the Norah Loft historical novels - "The King's Pleasure" about Katharine of Aragon was one of the best and most heart-rending; also very accurate.

I enjoyed all the Rosemary Hawley Jarman's books "Crown in the Candlelight" and "The King's Grey Mare" about Elizabeth Woodville are fantastic, but my all-time favorite of hers is "We Speak No Treason" about Richard III.

I got "The Lion In Winter" for Christmas so I can watch it whenever I want.

I love"Anne of the Thousand Days" - one of the best portrayals of Anne Boleyn, IMO. I also highly rate "A Man for All Seasons" about St THomas More, starring Richard Scolfield.

Many other movies mentioned here I have really liked, except for "Elizabeth" with Cate Blanchett. I thought Cate made a PERFECT Elizabeth Tudor - I just think there were many, many historical inaccuracies in the film itself, particularly the portrayal of Mary Tudor.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2005, 11:17:02 AM »
Yes, I thought Blanchett - as well as Geoffrey Rush - was a bright spot in that film. Kathy Burke is a good actress but - as I think was mentioned elsewhere - she was quite plump in the film, whereas the real Mary was wafer think by the time she died.
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« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2005, 12:01:55 PM »
Yay Kathy Burke..... not a good Queen Mary but a brilliant Waynetta Slob ;D
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« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2005, 12:04:29 PM »
Let's not forget "The Virgin Queen" with Bette Davis. The sets are not the greatest, but Bette's performance is one of THE best portrayals of any queen by any actress ever, IMO. Bette  magnificently captures the grandeur, paranoia, loneliness, jealousy, brilliance, sentimentality, magnanimity of Elizabeth Tudor's psyche.
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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2005, 03:21:04 PM »
OMG I had forgotten about Bette.. what an actress, she is one of my all time icons. Apparently she developed a particular "striding" walk when she portrayed Elizabeth and Joan Crawford would tease her mercilously...but that is another story ;)
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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2005, 07:32:07 PM »
Yes, Bette was GREAT as Elizabeth R! "Elizabeth and Essex" with Errol Flynn as Essex is good, too. It is the total tragic drama of the woman who always had to sacrifice love for power.
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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2005, 09:15:06 AM »
Kimberly,

We started to have a conversation about "Virgin's Lover" on another thread, when I just started reading it. I am now more than half way done and it is SO BAD!!! I can't believe that she portrayed Elizabeth this way... I am going to keep reading because I want to at least get to the part when Amy Robsart falls down the stairs and see how the author handles that  ::)...   I am really surprised that a female author would portray all her women characters this way, including even Elizabeth. It sounds like a mysogenist wrote this book - the female characters are all so unlikable and even pathetic! It's really too bad because Philippa Gregory is a popular author (although for the life of me I can't figure out why) and many people think that her stories are historically accurate....  :P

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2005, 10:19:45 AM »
I gave up 3/4 of the way through it was such awful rubbish....I think she has written another one on Katherine of Aragon.....yikes :D
Now, a really well written fiction about Elizabeth is "Legacy" by Susan Kay and also Queen's Bastard by Robin Maxwell. I enjoyed them and I didn't end up chucking the books out of the window like I did with Virgin Lover grrrrr
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2005, 10:42:58 AM »
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I gave up 3/4 of the way through it was such awful rubbish....I think she has written another one on Katherine of Aragon.....yikes :D
Now, a really well written fiction about Elizabeth is "Legacy" by Susan Kay and also Queen's Bastard by Robin Maxwell. I enjoyed them and I didn't end up chucking the books out of the window like I did with Virgin Lover grrrrr


Based on Gregory's two books I have attempted to read so far, I can only imagine what she is going to do with Katherine of Aragon (ouch!). I was never able to finish The Other Boleyn Girl (got about 1/3 way through), but I disliked it for different reasons than Virgin, mainly for all the blatant inaccuracies. This one is just embarassingly bad. I guess Ms Gregory feels that she can basically write anything at this point and people will buy it... I am almost tempted to read the Aragon one when it comes out just to see what she has done with it!

I read the Legacy, but not Queen's Bastard - the title scared me off... But I have read Maxwell's other book, I think it was called The Queen and the Gypsy (or something like that) - it was about the Amy Robsart-Dudley-Elizabeth triangle too but it was a lot better than Gregory's latest nonsense!   ::)
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2005, 11:39:35 AM »
How does she portray Elizabeth, Helen? Very weak and drippy? I've never liked Philippa Gregory, to be honest. Legacy was wonderful though!
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2005, 11:49:37 AM »
Agree with you there Helen The Queen and the Gypsy was good.
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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2005, 12:28:48 PM »
I think "My Lady of Cleves" has already been mentioned but has anyone read it? Full marks for getting a whole novel out of Anne's life, but the Anne character is spunkier and more attractive than the real Anne. She even gets to sleep with Henry after Catherine Howard's execution (which must have been a dubious pleasure....).
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2005, 12:38:21 PM »
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I think "My Lady of Cleves" has already been mentioned but has anyone read it? Full marks for getting a whole novel out of Anne's life, but the Anne character is spunkier and more attractive than the real Anne. She even gets to sleep with Henry after Catherine Howard's execution (which must have been a dubious pleasure....).


I read it. Too much "artistic license" for my taste. Was that the one where Hans Holbein was in love with her, or am I getting it confused with another book?
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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2005, 12:40:06 PM »
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I read it. Too much "artistic license" for my taste. Was that the one where Hans Holbein was in love with her, or am I getting it confused with another book?



Yes Hans Holbein was the real love of her life (only he could see her true inner beauty.....). Too bad he died of the plague.
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