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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #90 on: November 11, 2005, 10:18:09 AM »
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Philippa Gregory gives us a very different version of the pious middle-aged wife. Her Katherine is sexy, politically astute and ambitious.


So basically her Katherine is NOT Katherine, just a product of her over fertile imagination.  :P :P :P

BTW Elena Maria, I read and loved 'Katherine' too.  :)
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« Reply #91 on: November 11, 2005, 11:46:11 AM »
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So basically her Katherine is NOT Katherine, just a product of her over fertile imagination.  :P :P :P



Just as Elizabeth wasn't Elizabeth in "Virgin's lover" but a product of Ms Gregory overactive imagination (or an overactive desire to cash in  ;)).

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #92 on: November 11, 2005, 12:23:50 PM »
LOL, couldn't have put it better myself Helen! ;D How she is so popular a writer is beyond me . . .
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« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2005, 12:46:28 PM »
Actually to be fair, some of her "non-royal" historical novels are ok for reading on the beach.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2005, 01:03:46 PM »
Have you read more of her books then Kim?
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« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2005, 01:18:31 PM »
She wrote a very good book about the slave traders in Bristol. BTW she has a website where you can chat and discuss her books.Don't tell Helen. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2005, 02:00:06 PM »
I have NEVER read Philippa Gregory and now I assure you I never will. I cannot imagine taking such liberties with the lives of real historical characters, especially Queen Katharine of Arargon!! She was a woman of such honor and integrity and would never have lied about the  non-consummation of her marriage to Prince Arthur. She would NEVER have lied to a marriage tribunal. A historical novel, like a good painting, is an artistic way of exploring the personality of a famous person or an aspect of their life in a way that one cannot in a non-fiction biography. There are freedoms one can take to emphasize certain aspects of the person or incident, but the author has the responsibility not to distort the facts of history in an unrecognizable way, or have a real person doing something that would have been totally out of character for him or her - like Philppa Gregory's Katherine of Aragon, or Carolly Erickson's new novel about Marie-Antoinette - just an excuse to write sex novels masquerading under the name of some queeen. I have no patience with trash.

My favorite novel about a Tudor queen is Ford Madox Ford's "The Fifth Queen" about Katherine Howard. It is meticulously researched and he makes the whole era come alive. He contends that Katherine H was not as loose as she is usually portrayed but very learned and lovely, which makes sense because Henry was usually attracted to clever women. She was descended from the Plantagenets and had more royal blood than the Tudors, but grew up in poverty, a bit unsupervised.  Ford  thinks that she was trying to reconcile Henry VIII to Rome, which is why she was framed. She signed a confession in order to make them stop torturing her maids and was beheaded. Henry really loved her and was destroyed by her death. It might be a bit dated for the younger crowd, but the writing is superb and very descriptive, very accurate.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2005, 02:09:17 PM »
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I read My Lady of Cleves before I reached teenage years ( printed by Caxton ;D) and I really enjoyed it then. As for Jean Plaidy...again, pre teenage but her best IMO was her trilogy about Catherine De Medici. Another set of Tudor books from my dim and distant past were written by Norah Lofts..."The Lute Player" etc. Romanticised for sure but I think she knocked spots off Ms. Gregory.



I grew up reading Jean Plaidy and Norah Lofts. Norah Lofts' The King's Pleasure is about Katharine of Aragon and it is better than almost ANY contemporary novels that I have come across about her. It captures the youthful passion of Henry and his first wife (without going into every detail of their private conjugal relations), as well as their torrid and heart-rending break-up 20years later. I think Henry loved Katharine of Aragon the most of all his wives and he was always trying to recapture what he had originally with her.
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2005, 02:37:58 PM »
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BTW she has a website where you can chat and discuss her books.Don't tell Helen. ;D ;D ;D


Ooh I wish you didn't tell me... I'm so tempted...

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2005, 03:13:25 PM »
It got hacked the other day........hmmmm are you sure you didn't find it 8)
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2005, 03:15:34 PM »
Dear Elena I agree with you about "The King's Pleasure" a lovely book.
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« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2005, 05:44:17 PM »
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It got hacked the other day........hmmmm are you sure you didn't find it 8)


I am sure I wouldn't be the only one who would have a lot to say about this so-called book  ;).

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...I agree with you about "The King's Pleasure" a lovely book.


I read "The King's Pleasure" too, and liked it very much. It was not over the top, accurate, yet still held your attention. It actually reminded of the way Jean Plaidy writes.

I still can't get over what Phillipa Gregory is planning to spew out about Katherine of Aragon in her new book!  :o It sounds that it will be even worse than Virgin...  ::)

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2005, 05:53:03 PM »
What's the opinion of 'the Other Boleyn Girl'?
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« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2005, 05:55:41 PM »
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What's the opinion of 'the Other Boleyn Girl'?


I think I mentioned something about it earlier. To be honest, I couldn't finish it, once I got load of all the numerous inaccuracies - that was the end for me...

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2005, 06:00:08 PM »
Thanks Helen. What about 'the Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn', by Robin Maxwell? I thought it was ok.
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