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PssMarieAmelie

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Eleanor of Castile
« on: July 19, 2005, 05:02:18 PM »
She was the wife of Edward I wasn't she??And he put up crosses which were called Eleanor Crosses in her memory.

When he wounded by a poisoned object, didn't she suck the poison out of his blood or something?????

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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 05:20:45 PM »
Yes, I heard this before. They were apparently very happy. After she died, Edward married Margaret of France, who was 20. He was then 60. Surprisingly, they were also quite happy. By the time their last child was born, a daughter called Eleanor, it had been 46 years since Edward had had his first child (also a daughter called Eleanor, by now dead) with Eleanor of Castile. Talk about strange!
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2005, 12:02:01 PM »
edward's son from the second marriage had a daughter, the fair maid of kent, who married edward the black prince who was the grandson of edward's son from the first marriage, king edward the 2nd...

boy things were complicated then... :P
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2005, 05:42:56 PM »
She was indeed very young when she married Edward and was reputedly beautiful, though of course we cannot be sure since so long has passed.

Interestingly, Eleanor's daughter Joan married Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester. Her eldest daughter married Hugh le Despenser, who was lover to Edward II. Likewise, another of joan's daughers, Margaret, married Piers Gaveston, another of Edward II's toy boys.

Edward and Eleanor had 16 children, though most died young. Edward had 3 children with his second wife. I think that's a record number of legitimate children for a British monarch.
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 10:27:42 PM »
That's what happens when there's no cable television.....
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2005, 07:31:57 AM »
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She was indeed very young when she married Edward and was reputedly beautiful, though of course we cannot be sure since so long has passed.

Interestingly, Eleanor's daughter Joan married Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester. Her eldest daughter married Hugh le Despenser, who was lover to Edward II. Likewise, another of joan's daughers, Margaret, married Piers Gaveston, another of Edward II's toy boys.

Edward and Eleanor had 16 children, though most died young. Edward had 3 children with his second wife. I think that's a record number of legitimate children for a British monarch.



was edward 2nd really gay? i mean, i know that he had favorites but so did james 1st and james 1st is not really reputed to be gay...  :-/

there's this whole image of edward 2nd that he was effeminate but it's not true. he was actually a lot of a pig :P... he liked manly stuff like hunting and tournements and all... maybe that's why he liked spending time with the guys... and of course the fact that he didn't get along with his wife helped...
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2005, 08:14:02 AM »
Not all gay guys are effeminate. I've often read that Edward II was the most openly gay of all British monarchs. He openly lavished attentions (and kisses) on Piers Gaveston in public. Well, I suppose he did grow up in a house full of girls.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2005, 04:01:44 PM »
dunno... he had three older brothers and i don't think all of them died very young, did they? he also had younger brothers... and i'm sure they gave him playmates from the courtiers' sons and all...


and i didn't mean that he couldn't be gay unless he was effeminate. i just meant that maybe he spent so much time with guys because he liked manly activities... i didn't know about the kisses and all... where did you read that?

(i also read that they killed him by uhm sticking a hot iron in uhm... him... if you know what i mean...   :-X... kinda metaphorically... ugh *shudders*)

edited to add: i found an article... so maybe you were right  ::)

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/edward_ii/
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2005, 04:18:25 PM »
Thats quite true about poor Edward "sitting" on a red hot poker. The deed happened just up the road from me at Berkeley Castle. You can still see the little roomwhere he was imprisoned, and, legend has it, that you can still hear him screaming at night ...........
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2005, 04:49:18 PM »
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dunno... he had three older brothers and i don't think all of them died very young, did they? he also had younger brothers... and i'm sure they gave him playmates from the courtiers' sons and all...


and i didn't mean that he couldn't be gay unless he was effeminate. i just meant that maybe he spent so much time with guys because he liked manly activities... i didn't know about the kisses and all... where did you read that?

(i also read that they killed him by uhm sticking a hot iron in uhm... him... if you know what i mean...   :-X... kinda metaphorically... ugh *shudders*)

edited to add: i found an article... so maybe you were right  ::)

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/edward_ii/



Yes, I'm sure he was gay. I can't remember where I read it but I know that the Despensers were executed for 'unnatural practices with the King.'
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2006, 06:55:38 AM »
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dunno... he had three older brothers and i don't think all of them died very young, did they? he also had younger brothers... and i'm sure they gave him playmates from the courtiers' sons and all...


and i didn't mean that he couldn't be gay unless he was effeminate. i just meant that maybe he spent so much time with guys because he liked manly activities... i didn't know about the kisses and all... where did you read that?

(i also read that they killed him by uhm sticking a hot iron in uhm... him... if you know what i mean...   :-X... kinda metaphorically... ugh *shudders*)

edited to add: i found an article... so maybe you were right  ::)

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/edward_ii/



<Revives old thread>  :D

Edward II didn't know his 3 elder brothers.  They were: John, 1266-71; Henry, 1268-1274; and Alfonso, Earl of Chester, Nov. 1273 to Aug. 1284.  Edward II was born in April 1284, so he was 4 months old when his last brother died.  (Isn't it a shame that England never had a King Alfonso??)   :D
Edward's younger half-brothers were: Thomas of Brotherton, born 1300 and Edmund of Kent, born 1301 - 16 and 17 years younger than he was.

Edward I's last child was Eleanor, born May 1306 when Edward was nearly 67 (she died 1311).  His eldest great-grandchild was Hugh Despenser, born 1308 or 1309, son of Hugh the Younger and Alianore  ;) de Clare.  Only 2 years between a child and a great-grandchild!!

Edward II had 10 young companions in his household before he became king - noble young men of around the same age.  Gaveston was one, and so was Hugh Despenser the Younger.

BTW, the horrible hot poker story is being challenged more and more often these days, and not just by people who think Edward wasn't murdered in 1327.  My own belief is: Edward was murdered in 1327, but not by this method, which seems far more symbolic than real.  The earliest chronicles written after his death state that he was smothered.
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2006, 07:04:28 AM »
Edward I and Eleanor of Castile's surviving daughters were:
1) Eleanor, 1269-1298, married Henri, Count of Bar.
2) Joan of Acre, 1272-1307, married firstly Gilbert 'the Red' de Clare, Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295) and secondly Ralph de Monthermer.
3) Margaret, 1275-c.1333, married John, Duke of Brabant.
4) Mary, 1279-1332, nun at Amesbury.
5) Elizabeth, 1282-1316, married firstly John, Count of Holland (d.1299) and secondly Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford.
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2006, 10:24:56 AM »
not really related to this but i read somewhere that while on crusade, edward received the news of the death of a son of his... apparently he took it very easily and king louis ix (st. louis) asked him why and why he seemed more preocupied with his father's (henry iii) health and he said very coldly something like: 'you can always conceive another son but you only have one father.'

the author of the book where i read that noted how ironical it was that all his 3 older sons died so young. compared to that line.

also, apparently edward had a great relationship with both his parents (henry iii and eleanor of provence) but was a not so good father himself...
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2006, 12:13:03 PM »
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BTW, the horrible hot poker story is being challenged more and more often these days, and not just by people who think Edward wasn't murdered in 1327.  My own belief is: Edward was murdered in 1327, but not by this method, which seems far more symbolic than real.  The earliest chronicles written after his death state that he was smothered.



I agree with you about this as well. No sensible murderer would go along with such a complicated method of killing someone. A bucket of water or a pillow would be much easier!
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Re: Eleanor of Castile
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2006, 12:42:58 PM »
Yes but what is history without a bit of controversy......or a red hot poker ;) ;D ;D ;D
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