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Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« on: July 27, 2005, 12:26:49 AM »
Is it possible Olga could have survived the attacks too? Could the bones in the Royal Vault be substitute bones of one of the staff members instead of the actual bones of the Imperial family? Has anyone else claimed to be Olga besides Mardga Boodst?

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2005, 03:26:46 AM »
From TV documentaries and what I have read Olga was identified in the burial pit.
Also her skull is very badly damaged indicating how much she suffered, during execution and after.

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2005, 04:30:37 PM »
Absolutely no way. Some people might think I'm closed minded on this, but there is no way any one could have come out of that night alive. Even if they were still clinging to life as they were taken out of Ipatiev House, the injuries were so severe, and that along with  exposure would have killed them before long.

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2005, 04:58:00 PM »
It is possible that any one of the Romanovs survived that night.

The likelihood, however, is slim.   The conclusions of every scientist who has examined the bones that were discovered are that Olga's remains were buried with her parents'.

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2005, 08:13:40 PM »
Wasn't there something about her vertebrae in her spine that showed that skeleton was too mature to be any of the other sisters?

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2005, 09:47:57 PM »
In fact, there is only one GD who could be identified without doubt in the mass grave...Olga. It seems that her BIG head, doesn't left any doubts. It's a pity, for Olga was my favorite one about OTMA.  :-/ :'(

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 12:12:51 AM »
Maybe it's best no one probably lived. Imagine the painful life they would have led.

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 04:45:49 AM »
Good morning from Finland. Wasnt the female skeleton missing from their grave one of the youngest girls (spine)... My understanding is that Olga was the one who changed in the end, she propably undestood what was going to happen to them better than her sisters? Maybe she was giving up. I think she was depressed, and if you are depressed your body-soul cooperation works for the worse, I mean, her body wouldnt have been fighting for her existence (if she wasnt dead but wounded).
I have always wondered how a person who has lost it all could survive and live "normally" afterwards. How is it (mentally) possible? But it seems to be part of our humanity, the immense force of the desire to live. It has always make me feel ill in the case of AA (being Anastacia), the thought of being thoroughly alone (in her case even without identity). Living your "today" in your past. I hope that none of the IF survived, they lived so narrow life with basicly only each other, that it would have been too cruel to have left alone.
But I cant help believing some of them got away (the russian mysticism). And it happens, people keep on living after their world collapses; for example the survived Jews after WWII. (Im aware of the amount of psychic problems, but not all of the survivers committed suicide, although many did; we people do have strange ways to forget or get over it so our normal boring day routine could start again. Defens mechanisms)

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 03:04:19 PM »
No; if there were any survivors, keep out of your mind that they lived "normally". No normal life for people who suffered such a shock.  If you have "The Fate of the Romanov" by King and Wilson and read the scene of the murder, your hair will stand up in your head. You will froze in horror. One of the reasons of my believing in Anna Anderson is that her seemed to have suffered such a shock. She wasn't "crazy", but was not psychically "normal". And if she was Anastasia, she couldn't. Is for that that I wish that anyone survived. Too bitter and cruel. Olga suffered too much to fight for her life, but in Yurovsky's account, it seems that she did it. Maybe she was fighting for Tatiana...I don't know.

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 11:57:32 AM »
The world is not a fare place in any way. Im afraid there are right now people living and breathing and trying to go on after unbelievable tragedies (African civil wars, Tchetchenya). Like those young Jewish men (I like to refer to the Holocaust, because for me it is the most horrible thing man has done to his fellow men)(and which is not learned from) who had to guide people (and one day there were their loved ones...) to the gas chamber, take them out dead and burn them. They were charged to do the concrete dirty work of the killing, constantly aware that as well it might be them, dead. Mostly they were young adults and many of them survived (youngsters are filled with selfconfidence, love of adventure and desire to live). And then they were forced to live (they had an alternative to kill themselves) the rest of their lives somehow. (You should see Shoah, a document where the survivors are telling their stories decades later, the amount of different kinds of coping methods there is...)
Of course that kind of experience does something to your mind and psyche. (in fact I think it has been researced many times, f ex in Israel even the grand children of Holocaust survivors are mentally more fragile to the thought of violence and are more depressed about the present suicide bombing than those whose grandparents do not have the experience)
One of the recurring thought among the survivers has been the one that this life now does not exist, it is only a dream, that when they wake up, they are going to be back in a concentration camp. To feel that the life you are living IS not, that what is now is only a dream...

Did I loose my point? Again... I think I was kind of trying to prove that it is not impossible to go on living after a dreadfully shocking experience. It leaves its marks to the person, but he does not have to be a total mental case. Some people are stronger than the others.

Im not saying that I would think that anyone of the IF, if survived, would have lived a "normal" life afterwards. I have always thought them as a unity or harmony of a kind (idealizing of course) and to loose such a net would have been a total tragedy. And the massacre... I remember wondering while reading about AA how she did not see more nightmares, how could she get up in the morning at all (if you cant really trust anyone there is no safer place than the one underneath your quilt).

Kind of hoping none of them did it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 08:16:59 PM »
Your point is very interesting, Rosebud. Here, even the children and grandchildren from Missing People in Argentina, are traumatized, and are not like other "normal" people. I'm not saying there are not normal, but they have trouble to fit in the everyday life.

It is for that, that I always believed AA when she was horrified, didn't want to speak about "the end" and never gave correct facts about it (All her accounts are different). The last one was the total deny of the murder: "There was no Massacre". I don't really know if she was who she claimed to be, but if she was, I understand her attitude. Some people said plainly: "Oh! She was just lying!" This is not so easy...

I will tell a little story: I have a cousin twenty years y senior, who, when he was studying in the University, had a terrible car accident: another car smashed the car door in the conductor side. His leg was almost all detroyed. It's a miracle he didn't lost it. He balanced some five days between death and life. When he surfaced to conscience, and people ask him what happened, he would answer: "I fell from a staircase". There was not way to make him understand that he had had a car accident. Some time later, he totally denied the accident.

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 02:07:50 PM »
I have heard that too, total denial or lack of memory or something between them after a tragedy. I am fascinated by the variety of mans ways to keep on going. Subconsciousness plays a big part there I think.

I believe that AA was A. But I think she behaved quite suspiciously many times, f ex while asked about the murders. But you might be correct, that sounds a good alternative for an explanation to it.

I hope your cousin is ok nowadays.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2005, 11:52:57 PM »
Thank you, Rosebud. My cousin have  now a nice life in Seattle. He is currenty wprking for Microsoft. But you wouldn't tell him about this awful accident in Rosario, Argentina. He  is still denying it. His leg is not 100% well, but he is stubborn: he keep denying his car accident.  :-/

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2005, 09:27:16 AM »
RA...I wish your cousin well in his new life....but AA was not AN...

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Re: Is It Possible Olga could have survived?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2005, 06:03:07 PM »
Only if you doubt the authenticity of the bones found in Ekaterinburg.