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Does anyone have information on Prince Juan's wife, Margaret of Austria, the only daughter of emperor Maximilian I of the Holy Roman Empire, and sister of Philip the Handsome, King of Castile?
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Ladran los perros a la Luna, y ella con majestuoso desprecio prosigue el curso de su viaje.

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She married 2 times

1. Prince Juan of Castile, brother of Juana de Loca and Catherine of Aragon

2. Philibert of Savoy

Before that she was engaged to the French Dauphin.

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Her tomb is at the church of Brou in Burgundy:

The church of Brou which was begun in 1506, but which was completed by Margaret of Austria. Margaret was one of the ladies who brought about what was known as La Paix des Dames or the Treaty of Cambrai in 1529, when Queens brought about a Peace which Kings and Councils could not arrive at.

As a child, Margaret was a pawn in the game of statecraft. She was first betrothed to a king's son in France and sent to Paris to be educated in Court ways; but the old king died. Then she was sent to Spain to be betrothed to the Infante; and he died; and so she escaped that. At last she made a love match of her own with Philibert, the Duke of Savoy; and he was killed by a fall from his horse while hunting.

It was while on her voyage to Spain and when the ship which was carrying her thither came nearly being crushed on the rocks of the French Coast, that Margaret wrote an epitaph to be used for her resting place in case of need, humorously worded in order to amuse her terrified companions; and these were the lines:

"Ci-git Margot, la gentille demoiselle;
Qui eut trois maris, mais mourut pucelle"

When Philibert was killed Margaret built herself an oratory at Brou, and gave up her life to building its exquisite Church, the rood-screen of which is like a piece of lace in stone.  Margaret was diverted from this task to become regent of the Netherlands and when she died there her gentlemen-in-waiting carried her body on their shoulders all the way in the snow to Brou.
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"Ci-git Margot, la gentille demoiselle;
Qui eut trois maris, mais mourut pucelle"


I found a translation:

"Here lies Margot, the noble maid
Who had two husbands and never got laid"
Ladran los perros a la Luna, y ella con majestuoso desprecio prosigue el curso de su viaje.

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Yes her mother, Mary of Burgundy died young. In fact after being thrown from a horse. She had a closer relationship with her step-grandmother, Duchess Margaret of Burgundy (born Margaret of York, sister of King Edward IV). There is a good book on her...

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That poor woman...I would have hoped she at least bedded Infante Juan...

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Margaret did get laid by Juan de Trastamara. When he died in 1497 she was so shocked that she miscarried. It was a son of 6/7 months growth.
Juan and Margaret did love eachother and during their marriage their was a lot af action in their royal bed.

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That poor woman...I would have hoped she at least bedded Infante Juan...


She did get laid by Juan. But she wrote the couplet before she married him, when she was on her way to Spain and her ship was caught in a storm. She wrote it so that her body could be identified if she drowned. Fortunately, that was not the case.
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Yes...I heard that too. Some even went so far to claim that too much coupling exhausted the body of the sickly youth. Her sister-in-law, Catalina did not have the same luck.

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Hi.  ;) Does anyone know the cause of death of the Infante Juan, son of Ferdinand and Isabel? He was married to Archduchess Margaret of Austria the year before he died, and they had a still born child, but how did he die so young?

Also, does anyone know why there was a gap of eight years between Juan and his elder sister Isabel? I'm assuming there were stillbirths/miscarriages/infant mortalities in between?

Thank you!  :)
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Didn't he have Tuberculosis ???
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Really? I didn't know that, but then again I know next to nothing about him . . . I even heard a story (seriously!) that he died from exhaustion after wearing himself out in bed with Archduchess Margaret!  :o :o
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Hi.  ;) Does anyone know the cause of death of the Infante Juan, son of Ferdinand and Isabel?


I have the notion that Juan had always a fragil health.

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I find it very strange that we don't come up to a total of 10 children for Isabel I! I thought that there would come some info from some psanish sources about these children

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I have only heard about seven pregnancies, the miscarried boy in May 1475, instead of 76, after my sources. Where did you read it? It is very possible that Isabel also had other three miscarriages, I don't see why not, but I have never heard about them!


Lets see what the rest can tell us!


you might be getting confused with her daughter, Catalina, but seven makes sense for three is a small number . . . I might have read in The Six Wives of Henry VIII that Isabel had 10 miscarriages.