Still trying to gather more Grossman data. For our review.
Here is some of the Grossman dossier I have been able to gather from other threads, and from the web. There isn't a great deal out there yet.
Since all I have is a 3/4 page mention of Grossmann from a book about murderers, Encyclopedia of Murder by Wilson and Pitman, I can't give you much more than I already have.
p. 243-4
"GROSSMANN, Georg Karl
"German mass-murderer, born in Neurueppin in 1863, who, like Denke, commited sudice before his execution."
"The case has many resemblances to the Denke murders. In August 1921 the owner of a top-storey flat in Berlin near the Silesian railway terminus heard sounds of a sstruggle coming from the kitchen and called police. They found on Grossmann's kitchen bed (camp bed) the trussed-up carcass of a recently killed girl..... He picked up girls with great regularity (in fact, he seldom spent a night alone). He killed many of these sleeping partners and sold the bodies for meat, disposing the unsaleable parts in the river. (The case becme known as the Die Braut auf der Stulle-- 'the bread and butter brides', since a companion for the night is known as a 'bride' in Germany.) At the time of his arrest, evidence was found which indicated that three women had been killed and dismembered in the past three weeks."
"...It is of interest that Grossmann was indirectly invovled in the famous 'Anastasia case.... At one point it was annouced that "Anastasia" was really an imposter named Franziska Schamzkovski, a Polish girl from Buetow in Pomerania. Franziska's family were told their daughter had been murder by Grossmann on 13 August 1920; an entry in his diary on that date bore the name "Sasnovski".... "
"...The number of his victims will never be known, but they may well have exceeded Haarmann's total of fifty, since he was 'in business' throughout the war until 1921...."
AGRBear
>>9:00 PM, 18 Feb 1920
The person who is to be known as Anna Anderson jumped off the Bendler Bridge into the Landwehr Canal, in Berlin. She was pulled out of the water by Police Serg. Hallman and taken to Elizabeth Hospial in Lutzowstrasse
>>End of March 1920 AA was sent to Dalldorf Asylum
>>Doctors exaimination on 30 March 1920 recorded her weight at 110 pounds and her height at just under five feet two...
>>17 June 1920 AA was fingerprinted and photographed. These photographs were sent from Berlin out to Stuttgart, Brunswick, Hamurg, Munich, Dresden... (Weimar Republic). Places in Berlin, which probably included FS asylum where she spent some time more than once, were checked throughly.... Family members of those who had lost a dau., wife... were brought to see AA... This included the family of a Maria Wacowiak in Posen....
>>autumn of 1921 AA announced she as the GD Anastasia and talked about the jewels sewn in her clothes
>>Claire Peuthert was committed to Dalldorf at the end of 1921
>>6 March 1922 Claire Peuthert tells Capt. Nicholas von Schwabe about AA, whom she said looked like GD Tatiana.... was at Dalldorf
>> 7 March 1922 Capt. Scwabe phoned his friend Franz Jaenicke and they agreeed to go to Dalldorf on Wed. , 9th of March.... Claire P. showed up at Capt. Schwabe's apartment
>> 9 March 1922 The first known contact of Capt Scwabe at Dalldorf, Ward B. With him was Jaenicke.
>> 9 March, Wed., 1922 the Supreme Monarchist Council heard about AA and so the word quickly spread through the whole emigre colony in Berlin.... The SMC sent guards to Dalldorf, people spoke with the doctors at Dalldorf, and people were sent to speak to the police....
>> 10 March 1922 Capt Scwabe brought to AA in Dalldorf Zinaida Tolstoy and her daughter, and, also, there was a Capt. Andreievsky
>>12 March, Sat., 1922 Baroness Buxoeveden arrived at Dalldorf to see AA with Zinaida Tolstoy. It was the Baroness who pulled AA out of bed and declared that AA was too short to be Tatiana... The Baroness left with little to say accept that AA resembled the GD Tatiana then went off to declare AA was not GD Tatiana as it had been thought ....
>>____ March 1922 Later, AA declared she had never said she was Tatina, which was apparently true, AA had said she was Anastasia and everyone realized the mistake Buxoevenden had made and Capt. Schwabe continued to help AA. The mistake had been created by Claire P.
>> 27 July 1925: "Shura did NOT meet AA until July 27, 1925. She met with AA along with Ambassador Zahle, Pierre Gilliard. So there was a full 5 almost 5 1/2 years after Feb 1920 that she met with Shura or Gilliard, " Michael wrote.
>>On May 9, 1927 AA was taken for a meeting with Felix Schanzkowska the brother of Francisca.
>>9 July 1938: The second meeting took place in Hannover on July 9, 1938. At this meeting were: Marie Juliana, Valerian, Felix & Gertrude, AA, Fallows, Frau Madsack & Gleb Botkin, at the Police Headquarters, this meeting took place through the orders of the Government, and the manipulation of the new head of the Russian Emigre Office in Berlin
Re: FS and the Serial Killer Theory
« Reply #35 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:15pm » Quote Modify
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There are copies of Grossmann's trial transcripts -- or the German version thereof -- extant in at least one town in Germany. Berlin, as we all know, was hideously bombed by the Allies at the end of WWII, and many, many buildings were destroyed along with their contents. One of these buildings stored Berlin police records and archives; however, then as now, there were people interested in the phenomenon of what came to be known as serial killing. At least one of these people, a doctor of psychology, had copies of documents from Grossmann's trial -- and his descendants allowed Greg and I access.
German court procedure is a little different from that of the US. Here, a killer might be responsible for ten or twelve murders, but will only be charged with one or two so that there are still live cases against him should anything go wrong with the prosecution. Grossmann's trial was not like that. He was charged with a list of murders, some of them identified only by the name he placed in his own diary. The evidence given was short and sweet and fairly d**ning -- he was caught red-handed (literally) with the semi-dismembered body of a young woman in his "shop." There was also the evidence of his own hand, in the form of his diary. Evidence was given in several specific victim cases, but not in all of them. In the list of victims he was accused and convicted of murdering was the name "(female) Saznovski."
This was the individual whom the Berlin police believed was Franziska Schanzkowska. In the course of their lengthy investigation, in which they identified victims known by only one name -- like Saznovski -- information included in missing persons reports were cross-matched with the victimology, including what Grossmann had written in his diary. What was written about Saznovski was sufficient for the Berlin police -- a highly regarded professional body -- to conclude that Saznovski was Franziska. They broke the news to the Schanzkowsky family, and they laid Franziska to rest until 1927 when the Berliner Nachtausgabe disinterred her.
