101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia

[Rachael89]

I'm sorry if I seemed abit blunt etonexile, but I got the impression from your post that you were making a joke of something some people take seriously, something that might offend people.

Rachael

[RealAnastasia]

I only hope that we respect the subject of the thread: 101 REASONS (nor opinion) for AA being GD Anastasia (Even if she WAS NOT) . It's a common intellectual excercise that students does in University when studying Human Sciences. I remember very well when I was studying History. One proffessor made us wrote 100 reasons to said that Communism was right, and 100 to said it was wrong. He did the same with all other ideologies. And he warned us: If I read a SINGLE opinion in your works, they will be reproved right away...We must do the same exercise FIVE times until we understand that we COULDN'T write our opinions there. I think that when Penny started this thread she thought about this excercise.

I remember that we did almost the same thing in Oratorie...We must defend with CONVICTION the opposite argument than ours. And it was even more hard than to note the right reasons of it.

AGAIN: We are not discussing DNA. There is other threads were we do this. But if your wants to know my very personal opinion, you'll know it. I think the tissues could have been compromised (thank you, Dr. Schweitzer. Before I read your post I couldn't find the right word in English to said it, so I wrote "contaminated" who is the wrong word). Why? Just for all the reasons about AA could have been Anastasia. It's all this and in the other hand, the single and exclusive argument of the DNA results, saying she was the only woman in the world she couldn't have been: FS.

But it's enough opinion for today. I will not post any other opinion in this thread. Only the reasons WITHOUT OPINION. Inestead of this, I think it's more useful to open another thread: 101 reasons AA WAS NOT FS.

RealAnastasia.

P.S: If you didn't know any single reason for AA could have been GD Anastasia, please DON'T POST HERE ANY MORE. It isn't the right thread for you. There is another about AA being indeed FS. Post there if you want to do it. You are not obliged to post here. Ah...If you go there, you must notice that I posted there too.

P.S 2: Thank you, Inquiring_Mind! You are very kind. And you too, Racher. Thank you again!

[Rachael89]

No thankyou RealAnastasia, I've read your posts with interest and it's nice to see someone who is open minded and excepts others opinions despite their own, now hopefully we can get back to the subject of the thread!

Now I can add to it:

33.) When she met Gleb Botkin she asked him about his funny animals, drawings of animals dressed in human clothing that he drew for the Tsar's children whilst in captivity. (I hope I remembered the details right!)


Thanks again

Rachael

[RealAnastasia]

34- Anastasia , as all the Tsar children , loved the animals. AA too. Nobody recalled that FS loved animals.(Peter Kurth-Blair Lovell-Auclères)

35- She always acted naturally as AN. People didn't notice any faking in her attitude (Decaux, Castelot, Kurth, Blair Lovell, Doctor Eitel from Stillachaus)

35-When she spoke about Ekaterinburg murder, she did it in horror, screaming: "everything, everything, horrible dreadful, hasty, hurry, dirt, blood". It correspond to that we actually know in the later years about the massacre. She seemed horrified and didn't want to speak about this matter. She believed she was guilty for her family death (a common feeling in survivors). She believed that Tatiana and her mother had died because she was guilty of it. She even denied the fact when she gets older, changing the whole story: there was not massacre. Denial is common in people who suffered accidents or traumatic experiences. (Peter Kurth-Jimmy Lovell)

36-She said that the only survivors were Alexei and her . We know today that there are two bodies missing. A Grand Duchess -perhaps Anastasia- and Alexei, for sure.(However, she mistakes his name by "Nicholas"  ). (Robert K. Massie: "Romanov Last Chapter")

37-She didn't made any claim. Other people did them for her. She never liked the idea of to go into any trial against her "relatives".Not liked publicity and broke with Harriet Rathlef for writing a book about her and publishing it by chapters in a popular newspaper. (Peter Kurth- Decaux-Jimmy Lovell)

RealAnastasia.

More stuff later!  

[lexi4]

I'm sorry if I seemed abit blunt etonexile, but I got the impression from your post that you were making a joke of something some people take seriously, something that might offend people.

Rachael

I don't think so Rachael, Extonexile offers humor when we start taking ourselves too seriously. I personally enjoy his humor, he makes me smile and I appreciate his posts. If they bother you, ignore them. That is what I do if a post bothers me.

[Kransnoeselo]

38.  AA had a small circular scar on her back-in the same location where Anastasia had a mole removed.

39.  She knew an incident which occured between the Empress, Lilith Dehn, Anna Vyrubova and the Grand Duchess Anastasia which had never been published.

[Finelly]

40.  AA stated that Baroness Buxhoeveden was a traitor long before Penny Wilson and Greg King discovered that fact.

[RealAnastasia]

41-AA interest in antroposophy. She had esoteric interests, as Alexandra had. (Blair Lovell)

42-  She was very similar in features, to Maria Feodorovna, the Dowager Empress. (She was very tiny, like her, and her face was very similar) (Peter Kurth; Von Rathlef)

43-Grand Duke Andrew recognized her. (Peter Kurth; Auclères; Blair Lovell; Decaux; Castelot)

44- She was recognized scientiphically as Anastasia in 1977, by P.I.K antropologic system, invented for the German Criminalistic expert Moritz Furtamayr. (In those times, there were NO DNA, but surprisingly, people doesn't speak a word about AN being identified without the slightless possibility of doubt. Nobody said, in those times, as Anna's enemies said today: "But there is the P.I.K and nobody could discuss she was indeed Anastasia". Now, we have DNA who said otherwise. Maybe tomorrow we'll have another system that would said again she was Anastasia, and so. ) (Peter Kurth; Blair Lovell)

45- AA was completely crazy for photography, as the Romanov children were. She even took a "self snapshot" in Lugano, as Anastasia did when she was a girl in Tsarkoe Selo (You must keep in mind that those photographies are NOT KNOWN in those times. Most of the Imperial Family Albums were already in Russia in the Communist Archives- In the 1920's people couldn't see the Romanov photos in books, magazines or online, like we do now...No "Beinecke Albums" in the 1920's"!) (I saw both photographies in Peter Kurth site and in Blair Lovell's book)

46- We doesn't know Ambassador's Zahle's dossier, yet. Why? If AA was not Anastasia, it makes no sense. (Personal question)

To be continued!  

RealAnastasia.

[etonexile]

Pleasssse...the DNA of AA did not match that of any relation of AN....and they looked nothing alike.....basta!!!

[Rachael89]

Pleasssse...the DNA of AA did not match that of any relation of AN....and they looked nothing alike.....basta!!!

Etonexile PLEASE will you go to the 101 reasons why AA was FS thread and stay there instead of clogging up this  thread with negative comments. Each time I come back to this thread expecting to find interesting points that are in favour of AA being AN I find you making comments nothing to do with the subjec

[Rachael89]

  I'm really sorry I accidentally pressed post when I was moving the keyboard to finish my message:

Please will you stop posting remarks that have nothing to do with the subbject of the thread.

Kind regards

Rachael

[lexi4]

Can we all just chill? Telling someone not to post is also disruptive. Just ignore and continue the list.
Now I too have disrupted.

[RealAnastasia]

This is a very good path to follow, lexi4! If someone said some offensive thing, just don't pay attention to it, and continue to post quietly. They even opened another thread to question our documentary sources. I supposed that it would happen, for there is so many reasons to AA to be GD Anastasia, that they can't simply accept those facts. I took my sources where I could : Peter Kurth is a good source, eve if he was pro-AA; he was too honest to supprime evidence that could deny AA claims: he wrote all he knows about AA, things that would prove she was AN , and things that doesn't do it. Blair Lovell was quoted by me ONLY when his reasons were also shared for other "serious historians". I know he was not "seriuos at all"  . Dominique Auclères was pro-AA , but it is the ONLY account of the trials I have. I don't know another who are even published. Harriet Von Rathlef was also pro-AA, but she studied the Schanzkovska affair very deeply, so I go there to see what she have to said. The others, Alain Decaux and André Castelot were not pro-AA, but against her claim: they said openly that AA was FS. This is also the historical position of Robert K. Massie, my other source there.

Now; let us get some peace and continue this thread. Remeber: NO DISCUSSION HERE!!! FACTS AND SOURCES.

RealAnastasia.

[etonexile]

I'm sorry if my style of posting upsets some...but I feel that threads such as this one do a real disservice to the entire forum as they feed the beliefs of those who "just know" that AN and perhaps Alexei escaped that impossible pit-of-death....and that AA WAS AN...and Alexei "out-grew"  his illness and was a dance instructor in adulthood.....

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