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Finelly

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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2005, 12:39:30 AM »
35.  Grand Duchess Olga visited her, wrote to her, sent her gifts, called her various endearments, worried about her even after she was forced to discredit her and felt some guilt about it.
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2005, 09:33:44 AM »
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39.  She knew an incident which occured between the Empress, Lilith Dehn, Anna Vyrubova and the Grand Duchess Anastasia which had never been published.

 


What was this incident, and who did they ask about it? Alexandra was dead, and no one ever consulted Vyrubova. Must have been Dehn? What was it?
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2005, 09:38:23 AM »
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35.  Grand Duchess Olga visited her, wrote to her, sent her gifts, called her various endearments, worried about her even after she was forced to discredit her and felt some guilt about it.


Finelly, I am sorry, but I can't let this stand as fact. Your ASSUMPTION that she was 'forced to discredit her' has NO  basis of fact at all. I have read Olga's statements, one is in my sig. She said she desperately wanted the girl to be Anastasia, but she wasn't. She had a special bond with her and it wasn't there. I hope someone can post exactly what Olga said because I don't have it. But putting your guessing of what you think happened in there is worse than what I do when you say I have no sources, I have seen them, I just can't find them. This is complete fantasy and opinion with no backup whatsoever. It's actually offensive to Olga A. to say that she would discredit her beloved niece. If she were Anastasia, she'd have accepted her no matter what. And why would you assume Olga would do this? Money? Remember Olga had no money, she was the 'black sheep' of the family with the 'wrong' husband. While Xenia lived comfortably in Frogmore cottage on the British royals, Olga lived in a squat apt. over a barber shop in Toronto. Do you really think she'd sell out her beloved niece for that? Nope, she WASN'T her niece, and sadly, she knew it.
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Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2005, 11:15:57 AM »
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Finelly, I am sorry, but I can't let this stand as fact. Your ASSUMPTION that she was 'forced to discredit her' has NO  basis of fact at all. I have read Olga's statements, one is in my sig. She said she desperately wanted the girl to be Anastasia, but she wasn't. She had a special bond with her and it wasn't there. I hope someone can post exactly what Olga said because I don't have it. But putting your guessing of what you think happened in there is worse than what I do when you say I have no sources, I have seen them, I just can't find them. This is complete fantasy and opinion with no backup whatsoever. It's actually offensive to Olga A. to say that she would discredit her beloved niece. If she were Anastasia, she'd have accepted her no matter what. And why would you assume Olga would do this? Money? Remember Olga had no money, she was the 'black sheep' of the family with the 'wrong' husband. While Xenia lived comfortably in Frogmore cottage on the British royals, Olga lived in a squat apt. over a barber shop in Toronto. Do you really think she'd sell out her beloved niece for that? Nope, she WASN'T her niece, and sadly, she knew it.


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Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2005, 08:45:56 PM »
Thank you, Bear...I don't understand why people INSIST to discuss the reasons HERE. This is not the correct thread to do this. For instance we don't realy know if Olga Alexandrovna REALLY did know that AA wasn't her niece.

40- AA always seemed very upset when someone spoke against Rasputin. (Peter Kurth; Harriet Von Rathlef; Blair Lovell)

41- AA claimed that Rasputin didn't see OTMAA very often (this seems to have been the truth) and that "He never put a finger on them" (the girls) (Blair Lovell; Von Rathlef)

42- Her German, as Anastasia's one, was badly enough. Felix Dassel said in the German trials: "...She had a sovereign disdain for articles. Masculine, feminine, neuter-they were beyond her. The verb tenses were always wrong..." (Peter Kurth; Dominique Auclères; Alain Decaux) Some people claimed that the only language that AA spoke correctly was German. In fact, she didn't speak badly all languages she knew.  Harriet Rathlef wrote: "...Anastasia's disregard for the rules of German grammar was nearly total, and she settled for the neutral 'das' when she was unsure of anything. 'Das' mean 'that', 'it', 'he' and 'she'..."."... She always chops off every 'h' in German -added a woman who met her when Anastasia had been living in Germany for seven years- and it is 'Aus' (Haus), and 'Eute' (Heute), and so on-her German is extraordinary, and she can only understand quite simple German, she could not follow a German newspaper, for example-..."

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« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2005, 10:42:10 PM »
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40.  AA stated that Baroness Buxhoeveden was a traitor long before Penny Wilson and Greg King discovered that fact.


Quick note: A number of emigrees  suspected Baroness Buxhoeveden of having betrayed the IF. AA was simply repeating what other people had talked about ( the Rodzianko family talked about it, for example) But AA didn't state this as a fact   it was just a statement she made that happened to be true. But I don't think it weighs in her favor one way or the other.
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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2005, 10:51:58 PM »
Can you state your source about a number of refugees suspecting the Baroness von B?
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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2005, 10:53:54 PM »
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Can you state your source about a number of refugees suspecting the Baroness von B?


Sure, various descendants of refugees from the Russian Revolution.   I also think it may have been published somewhere. Perhaps Peter Kurth also  talks about the gossip in "Riddle"? I don't remember if he wrote about it there though.
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Finelly

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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2005, 10:55:13 PM »
Well, without the actual sources, we have to discount your statement.
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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2005, 10:56:39 PM »
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Well, without the actual sources, we have to discount your statement.


You're free to do just that ;)..unless you're suggesting that GD Xenia channelled the ghosts of the murdered IF.....
who told her about the Baroness's betrayal..... thus inspiring Xenia to write that letter to Victoria, the Empress's sister, warning her about the Baroness?...Hmmm...now that would be interesting! ;) :)

But as the IF family in Ekaterinberg never learned of the Baroness's betrayal...how exactly would AN have found out in the first place?

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2005, 09:04:45 AM »
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You're free to do just that ;)..unless you're suggesting that GD Xenia channelled the ghosts murdered IF.....
who told her about the Baroness's betrayal..... thus inspiring Xenia to write that letter to Victoria, the Empress's sister, warning her about the Baroness?...Hmmm...now that would be interesting! ;) :)

But as the IF family in Ekaterinberg never learned of the Baroness's betrayal...how exactly would AN have found out in the first place?

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Finelly,

Jeremy  is correct on both counts.   See "Fate of The Romanov's"  pgs 139-144 regarding Sophia Buxhoeveden's betrayal of the Imperial Family, and
pages 505-506 tells of the resentment held by Grand Duchess Xenia in regards to the betrayal, and wrote to Victoria Milford Haven that Buxhoeveden was not to be trusted because of the betrayal.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2005, 09:35:47 AM »
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(We do this on another board I'm on -- not a history board, but I think it could be a good way to keep things straight.  The rules: no discussion here -- there are other threads for that -- just a list.  I'll start....) ...


If you wish to have a discussion on Buxhoveden, please go to her thread or start a new thread.

Here is one already started:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=friends;action=display;num=1082760739;start=0#0

43.  is next.

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2005, 11:39:11 AM »
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If you wish to have a discussion on Buxhoveden, please go to her thread or start a new thread.

Here is one already started:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=friends;action=display;num=1082760739;start=0#0

43.  is next.

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This is rather silly Bear. If someone makes an incorrect statement, people here have the right to correct it. And if the person making the correction is wrong, then people have the right to correct that person. Otherwise, incorrect information is put out, and  this site loses all academic credibility.
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Finelly

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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2005, 01:12:31 PM »
Yes, I know about the GD Xenia's beliefs.  I wrote about them on the other thread.

This does not mean that others were saying the same thing.  On the contrary, the Baroness was venerated by most.
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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2005, 02:39:54 PM »
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Yes, I know about the GD Xenia's beliefs.  I wrote about them on the other thread.

This does not mean that others were saying the same thing.  On the contrary, the Baroness was venerated by most.



Finelly,

Read the pages in FOTR devoted to Buxhoeveden's betrayal of the IF, and how she absconded with funds meant for their rescue.  It was well known in Ekaterinburg, and by Gibbes & Gilliard, and there are those in the emigre community who knew of it.
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