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Henry VII
« on: August 06, 2005, 02:58:47 PM »
I think Henry VII suffers from being in his son's shadow. I consider him a much beeter king in most ways - he made the country rich again, he brought stability and he abolished private armies. What do you all think of him?
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2005, 03:38:10 PM »
I think he was a bit of an old misery guts  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2005, 03:41:15 PM »
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I think he was a bit of an old misery guts  ;D ;D ;D


Well, thanks for contributing, Kim.
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2005, 03:51:13 PM »
My pleasure, sorry just finished work. He was though, cold ,dour and no particular right to the throne (Yep,I am a sworn Ricardian)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2005, 10:04:37 PM »
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I think Henry VII suffers from being in his son's shadow. I consider him a much beeter king in most ways - he made the country rich again, he brought stability and he abolished private armies. What do you all think of him?



I am confused ?? How does Henry VII suffer from being in his son's shadow?

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 05:36:21 AM »
henry 7th is my favorite tudor king ;D.

i think he wanted to be the quiet type. he wanted to be discrete with everything he did and that's why people don't remember him much nowadays. but i think it was a controlled quietness. he was very calculated and i think he was very good for his country at a time when everything was pretty much chaotic.

henry 8th was more charismatic, true, but i think he did more harm than good, while with henry 7th it was the other way around. :)

and you yorkists back off :P... he was a great king and he did what he had to do! :P

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 05:59:59 AM »
I see Henry VII as a cruel, cold-hearted, ambitious usurper!  ;D His treatment of Catherine of Aragon after Arthur's death was appalling.
I know he did some good for the country and began to bring about some stability but U di not think as a character he was pleasant at all!

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 06:11:45 AM »
i can't judge a character 500 years after his death.

i think he did what he had to do most of the time. yes, he wasn't very friendly to catherine but compared to his son he was actually sweet :P

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 06:13:00 AM »
To make this extremely superficial  ;D I think on his pictures he has a mean face!

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2005, 06:32:53 AM »
depends on which pictures. i think he looks calculated and a bit cold but not mean... except for his mask which was made when he was already an old man and you shouldn't judge someone by their old age face :)

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2005, 07:29:16 AM »
nor by their young one... ;)

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2005, 07:50:16 AM »
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My pleasure, sorry just finished work. He was though, cold ,dour and no particular right to the throne (Yep,I am a sworn Ricardian)


I'm a Ricardian too. I'm not saying I like Henry VII, I just saying that I think he's rather underrated as a king.
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2005, 08:40:37 AM »
"He wanted to be discrete with every thing he did". Hmmmmm sounds like a man with something to hide 8) And I agree with Bluetoria on the portrait thang.... just look at that mean, cruel, narrow mouth. Nasty piece of work. Just ask Ryskkia what she thinks.
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2005, 04:06:54 AM »
Well to quote Shakespeare, "There's no art to readthe mind's construction in the face..." but both young & old he has a sort of grasping ambition about his features which I think was evident in his behaviour:




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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2005, 04:42:14 AM »
I think of Henry VII as a cold-hearted, ambitious *bleep*. I won't say any more.


PS.I am *bleeping* because I am still fuming  over Micheal Kasprowicz's dismissal at the Ashes. Hit his glove my @$$!! He wasn't even touching the bat!!Sorry about that....


Back on the topic, I also think that Henry VII's treatment of Catalina of Aragon was simply AWFUL.