Granny Alena

[Finelly]

Um, everyone has mitochondrial dna and can be tested, no?

[lexi4]

What information do you have that you didnt have before?

I just meant that I read something I had not read before and am glad I did.

[Robby]

This makes me very angry, Granny Alina never claied to be a GD, it is true she was Maria Romanov. She doesn't wanted money, she told the story of the murder 20 years before the story of Yurovsky was told. I learned from a program on National G. That Maria Romanov did survive the murder. Believe me or not it is TRUE Maria R. survived the murder. And i know that! And no one can take that away!

[xX_Mashka_Xx]

It's impossible to say that she was definately Maria. There's no proof that anyone survived. It would have been very difficult for someone to survive, as they were all crammed in a corner, and being shot at, at such a close range, no one could have escaped the bullets. You musn't believe everything you hear. You never know who's lying, and who's not.

[RealAnastasia]

It's impossible to say that she was definately Maria. There's no proof that anyone survived. It would have been very difficult for someone to survive, as they were all crammed in a corner, and being shot at, at such a close range, no one could have escaped the bullets. You musn't believe everything you hear. You never know who's lying, and who's not.

My own idea is that someone survived (well...You already know my. I'm completely crazy!  ) but I saw this TV Show and didn't be convinced a bit by it. I must agree that she ressembles A LOT Maria Nicolaievna (Saying she was not like her a bit doesn't help and it is not true), but this doesn't make her Maria. Perhaps she was, but the TV Show didn't said a single thing that I could consider an info. I even hear that they performed a DNA test, having different results from the skull and from the leg, what I found VERY odd. One of them didn't match the Romanovs, and the other was considered contaminated or something like this...

I would like to know more things about this claimant, for example: Did she have childhood memories as Maria Nicolaievna? Did she passed other test, like calligraphic ones, medical ones, etc? If you know more things about this issue, please, post them.

RealAnastasia.

[pinklady]

I dont see any resemblance in this woman to the Imperial Family or any of Queen Victoria's other extended family.
Another sad case of somebody pretending to be one of the poor children. (again).
Oh, and of course the claimants are always happy to live out their lives separated from the rest of the family.........

[RealAnastasia]

I dont see any resemblance in this woman to the Imperial Family or any of Queen Victoria's other extended family.
Another sad case of somebody pretending to be one of the poor children. (again).
Oh, and of course the claimants are always happy to live out their lives separated from the rest of the family.........

As far as I know she never claimed to be Maria, but her family ...In this particular case it is her family who wants to be related to the Romanovs. And Granny Alena didn't live separated from the rest of her family. She had a husband, children and grandchildren...I'm not saying she was Maria (it's likely she wasn't) but even if you consider a case as fake, you must analyze it carefully and speak about it with respect and choosing the words to not to hurt other people who could believe in it (without being fools or Easter-bunny believers  ).

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't write in a Forum message phrases like " X claimant wasn't X Grand Duchess!" or "X claimant was X Grand Duchess!". I would post only infos about the different cases, the questions that arose in my mind about these cases and such thing. Affirmative or negative phrases wouldn't help in pretenders affairs. I may said - in time to time, but not always- "I BELIEVE X claimant was Anastasia" (or Maria) or "I don't think X claimant was Maria" (or other of the OTMA) But never "she was" "she wasn't"...This is really silly.  :-/

RealAnastasia.

[pinklady]

Now I have a headache.......

[Ralph]

Hi,

I just signed up to post this. I just saw a documentary on NGC about the granny Alina story. It left me with some questions, and a websearch led me here.

I've read both threads on this subject (which I could find anyway). An interesting read.

The documentary I saw was the one entitled 'In Search of a Lost Princess' which I just learned the claimant no longer endorses. Can anyone provide details on which parts he no longer endorses?

Said documentary seems to imply that Alina's sons may not be her own, but that they may have been sent along with her emperial guard/husband to provide some sort of 'family guise'.
If her sons were indeed not her natural offspring, then that would be a plausible explanation for why their dna would not be usable to determine the lineage.
But sofar any availlable info about her sons seems to be rare or non-existant.

Another thing I read on this forum was that Alina's rather broad jawline can possibly be explained by a broken jaw which resulted from being hit by a rifle butt(?) This was not mentioned in the documentary. Despite someone from U of Oxford (I believe) doing extensive research on her exhumed skull. Does anyone have a source for the broken jaw bit? In fact there was no mention at all about healed bone fractures. (And I'm pretty sure a firearm fired at close range will fracture a ribcage even with a diamond corset)

This combined with the inconclusive dna evidence leaves me highly sceptic.

Still a fascinating story.

Ralph

[Margarita Markovna]

Hi Ralph-

Could you explain a little more about the jawline?

Ritka

[etonexile]

Hi,

I just signed up to post this. I just saw a documentary on NGC about the granny Alina story. It left me with some questions, and a websearch led me here.

I've read both threads on this subject (which I could find anyway). An interesting read.

The documentary I saw was the one entitled 'In Search of a Lost Princess' which I just learned the claimant no longer endorses. Can anyone provide details on which parts he no longer endorses?

Said documentary seems to imply that Alina's sons may not be her own, but that they may have been sent along with her emperial guard/husband to provide some sort of 'family guise'.
If her sons were indeed not her natural offspring, then that would be a plausible explanation for why their dna would not be usable to determine the lineage.
But sofar any availlable info about her sons seems to be rare or non-existant.

Another thing I read on this forum was that Alina's rather broad jawline can possibly be explained by a broken jaw which resulted from being hit by a rifle butt(?) This was not mentioned in the documentary. Despite someone from U of Oxford (I believe) doing extensive research on her exhumed skull. Does anyone have a source for the broken jaw bit? In fact there was no mention at all about healed bone fractures. (And I'm pretty sure a firearm fired at close range will fracture a ribcage even with a diamond corset)

This combined with the inconclusive dna evidence leaves me highly sceptic.

Still a fascinating story.

Ralph

I LOVE all the back-pedaling on the IF survivour stories....The silly souls always have some excuse when none of the facts add up...I'll bet dollars-to-doughnuts that Granny's DNA matches her sons and not the IF...Perhaps one day her tissue will surface...but I don't think I'll start asking for donations to build her an Imperial tomb very soon...