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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #270 on: February 01, 2006, 08:33:09 AM »
I have read that Versailles was an unhealthy environement, maybe if mA would have kept her children in Meudon or Saint Cloud far way from the court and Versailles thaty mught have grown up healthier. I know she wanted to be as close as posible to her children but maybe for the delicate nature of both her sons it turned out to be a bad decision.

  MT seemed to have had a good health, even though she always lived in Versailles, but her brothers were delicates and I think that if they had been raised in another palace things might have been different.

 Angouleme and Berry were brought up outside Versailles and lived to adulthood.

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« Reply #271 on: February 01, 2006, 08:49:50 AM »
Yes. That is also one of the reasons M-A insisted on going to Trianon so often, just to get her family out of the main palace, but look how much people criticised her for it.

Where did Angouleme and Berry grow up? (I always thought they grew up at Versailles, too.) The Bagatelle?

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« Reply #272 on: February 01, 2006, 08:50:31 AM »
I think the duphin wasn't allowed to go where he wanted, was he ? I mean, it wasn't easy to bring him elsewhere than Versailles, even for health reasons.

Switzerland could have been better for him ! But that was impossible, I'm afraid. That must be terrible, to see one's child deperish, and to be forced to keep him in a bad place. I'm pretty sure Marie-Antoinette knew Versailles wasn't good for her children, but that the queen and dauphin were tied up there !
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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #273 on: February 01, 2006, 10:02:55 AM »
I think that unfortunetely both her sons were sickly, tehre is account of Louis Charles being very nervous since he was a baby. And even in the temple whle he was with his family his health began to deteriorate, I know that the stress of the Revolution and Varenne`s flight might have caused it too, but I think that he had a poor health as well. MT seemed to have a robust child, or maybe it was due to the fact that she was older.

Angouleme and Artois lived in Versailles but not in the palace. I will try to remember where I read that.

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #274 on: February 02, 2006, 02:56:53 PM »
Madame de Campan says that LJ had rickets - it caused curvature of the spine. It is a deficiency of Vitamin D. Exposure to sunlight helps.
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« Reply #275 on: February 02, 2006, 02:59:25 PM »
Yes, Monsieur Bell, I do now recall that Madame Campan said that. Not enough sunshine....

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #276 on: February 02, 2006, 03:39:18 PM »
On the wikipedia.org section of Marie-Therese in the controversy section of her, I read that she it was likely she went into hiding in 1795 and that she was raped and likely became pregnant while in prison with her family by the prison guards. Can anyone confirm this as true or false?

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« Reply #277 on: February 02, 2006, 03:50:24 PM »
The rumor that M-T had been raped and borne a child in prison was circulating during the Restoration and at one point some poor girl came forward claiming to be her "daughter." However, I do not think she had a baby. I do not know if she was molested or not and if so in what way. We do know that she was verbally assualted by the guards' obscenties and that she lived in dread of physical assault all the time she was in jail, which may be just almost as psychologically devastating as actual assault - the constant anxiety took its toll on her.
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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #278 on: February 03, 2006, 09:08:53 AM »
"Le Seul Homme de la Famille"
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« Reply #279 on: February 03, 2006, 09:24:27 AM »
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"Le Seul Homme de la Famille"
Napoleon

  


Oh, Sissi, thank you for posting this picture, one of my favorites of M-T. It shows her after she bravely but unsuccessfully tried to rally the troops at Bordeaux when Napoleon returned to France from his exile in Elba. She was forced to flee to the shore to take ship to England but as she did many people followed her, begging her for souvenirs. She gave them the white feathers from her hat, crying out, as the wind and the rains swirled around her: "Bring them back to me in better days, and Marie-Therese will show you that she has a good memory and has not forgotten her friends at Bordeaux!"
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« Reply #280 on: February 03, 2006, 09:29:27 AM »
Exactly!! a great display of courage, napoleon gave the order to let her go unharmed, this is where he claimed that she was the only man of the family!

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #281 on: February 03, 2006, 09:33:04 AM »
Yes, it was then that Napoleon made that comment, after Therese showed such courage at Bordeaux.
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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #282 on: February 03, 2006, 09:35:27 AM »




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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #283 on: February 03, 2006, 09:40:34 AM »
Sorry it is really smal, I will try to find a bigger version, I like this painting it was was painted in 1870 by Joseph Caraud.

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #284 on: February 03, 2006, 09:41:56 AM »
It looks interesting; what is it a picture of?