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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #300 on: March 14, 2006, 01:09:58 PM »
Something else that crosses my mind! is the fact that the subsitutionist have try to focus on the fact that the Duchess was a very cold woman, that she went so far as to say "that woman is the responsible one" referring to her mother the queen.
 
  I have trouble to believe in that, however if you read marie Antoinette`s biography you can feel at least the authors make you feel that there was a preference toward Louis Charles.
  That somehow MA did not really understood her daughter`s attitude so well.

    I think it is really hard to really know Marie Therese, she is always referred to as part of an  other context, she is always the daughter, sister, niece of someone, but I would like to know what she might have felt!!!

   She was a proud person, as a child she was self conscious of her rank. She was a daughter of France and took a lot of pride in that. Her mother tried to restrained that feeling of grandeur, because she thought it would do her more harm than anything else.
   
    She invited children fron non noble backgrounds and told her daughter that she had to be a good hostess no matter the origine of the guests. Mousseline is said to have not been happy with the task!
    I suppose she resented her mother`s "lesson"?


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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #301 on: March 14, 2006, 01:15:52 PM »

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« Reply #302 on: March 14, 2006, 01:19:09 PM »
This was written in the Tuileries, after the Return from Varennes she went straight to her room to find that her money had been stolen from her drawer!
 She was devastated and went to her mother crying that it was gone. The queen promessed to replace it from her own money.


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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #303 on: March 14, 2006, 01:21:56 PM »

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #304 on: March 14, 2006, 01:22:53 PM »
One of the last letter written in the Temple

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« Reply #305 on: March 14, 2006, 01:24:19 PM »
A letter by Louis Antoine with a Post datum from Marie Therese!


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« Reply #306 on: March 14, 2006, 01:25:47 PM »
Zoom of the post datum


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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #307 on: March 14, 2006, 01:40:52 PM »
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Zoom of the post datum



Is it just me? - but the handwriting and even the style of expression (curiously flat) seems to be pretty consistent in all three examples. There's even the trait of leaving exactly the same tiny gap between each word, quite a contrast to her husband's style.
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« Reply #308 on: March 14, 2006, 01:45:24 PM »
It is exactly what I thought!! The one in favour of the substitution say that there was a diference in handwritting, I am no expert, but I find them quite resemblant! besides the Duchess did not have a bad hand writting as it says she had! ???


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« Reply #310 on: March 14, 2006, 02:31:24 PM »
The first historian to find out about the black mail was Castelot who was also the first to have access to her letters, he discovered throught the letter she wrote to her private secretary the Baron de Charlet, back then he was more preocupy by the posible substitution of Louis XVII so he did not really took them into account!
  After some time he went back to the letters and thought that the black mailes had something to do with Naundorff! But it proved wrong.

   She was being black mailed by a Dr. named Lavergne, who had the information from madame de Soucy who had been sous gouvernate of the princess in Versailles.
 According to the man, the Duchess had told madame de Soucy a secret right after being set free from the Temple, something big! A big revelation!
  But what big revelation???? Nobody knows! ???

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« Reply #311 on: March 15, 2006, 01:30:08 AM »
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The first historian to find out about the black mail was Castelot who was also the first to have access to her letters, he discovered throught the letter she wrote to her private secretary the Baron de Charlet, back then he was more preocupy by the posible substitution of Louis XVII so he did not really took them into account!
   After some time he went back to the letters and thought that the black mailes had something to do with Naundorff! But it proved wrong.

    She was being black mailed by a Dr. named Lavergne, who had the information from madame de Soucy who had been sous gouvernate of the princess in Versailles.
  According to the man, the Duchess had told madame de Soucy a secret right after being set free from the Temple, something big! A big revelation!
   But what big revelation???? Nobody knows! ???



Maybe the real colour of her hair.....? ;D
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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #312 on: March 15, 2006, 03:26:37 AM »
Ouch, Bell, ;D
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« Reply #313 on: March 15, 2006, 08:29:30 AM »
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Maybe the real colour of her hair.....? ;D



Could be!!! ;D

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Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« Reply #314 on: March 20, 2006, 05:55:18 AM »
Maybe she had disclosed what had really happened to her brother in the Temple?  I recall reading somewhere that upon her death, Marie-Therese left a sealed document titled, "The Fate of Louis XVII".  In accordance with her instructions this document was to remain sealed and not to be opened for 150 years.  If this document exists, it should have been opened in 2002 yet I have heard nothing further about it.  
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