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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2005, 09:44:47 AM »
Both those anecdotes come from a book called 'Five Queen Consorts' where two of the Queens profiled where Henrietta Maria and Catherine, I beleive.

Hmm . . . I couldn't tell you exactly what Henrietta Maria thought of Monmouth, but she was so pious I don't doubt that she dissaproved.

As for Catherine, she never liked Lady Castlemaine (who incedentally also later bedded Monmouth when he was about 14) but she eventually realised that Charles was never going to change, and she accepted the presence of his mistresses.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2005, 05:43:58 PM »
How fashionalbe being pale was in those days! Look how pale Henrietta Maria is here!

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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2005, 11:21:50 AM »
James II:

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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2005, 11:30:06 AM »
And Mary of Modena, James II's second wife:



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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2005, 05:34:21 AM »
i find it interesting that james, such a fervent catholic, married anne hyde the way he did... she was a protestant... she was not of high rank... there was a huge scandal...

any paintings of her?
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2005, 05:55:34 AM »
Ilyala, here's a pic of Anne Hyde.



James was not a Catholic when he married her. In fact, he did not want to marry her at all. He was having and affair with her when he was in exile in Holland, and she coerced him into a secret ceremony. Then he made her pregnant. When his brother was restored to the throne, he didn't want the marriage to stand, and Anne caused a right bru-haha about it. Eventually, Charles II made James stand by his word and they had a second marriage ceremony in England.
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2005, 08:52:27 AM »
how did she die?
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2005, 08:57:01 AM »
Thanks for posting ilyala! I thought this poor thread was dead in the water!  :)

Anne died of cancer shortly after giving birth to her daughter Katherine (who also died soon after).

Obviously, Mary II and Queen Anne were her only two surviving children, though she also gave birth to:

1. Charles, Duke of Cambridge (his death was almost a releif - since people doubted the legitimacy of James and Anne's first marriage service he was looked on as a bastard)

2. James, Duke of Cambridge

3. Charles, Duke of Kendal

4. Edgar, Duke of Cambridge

5. Lady Henrietta Stuart

6. Lady Katherine Stuart.
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2005, 07:39:58 PM »
ugh so many dead children! what is wrong with this family?

if i'm not mistaken, anne had 14 children and none of them outlived her!
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2005, 07:43:42 AM »
James II then married, as you all already know, Mary of Modena, who gave him another 13 children of which only two, James Edward and Louise Marie, survived childhood. Louise Marie then died aghed 20!


About Anne, she actually had 18 children and yes, none of them outlived her!
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2005, 07:50:42 AM »
James and Mary of Modena had a daughter called the Lady Isabella, who lived to be four I beleive . . .

Here are Anne's children in full:
1. Stillborn daughter, born 1684.
2. Lady Marie, born 1685. Died 1687.
3. Lady Anne Sophia 1686-1687.
4. Stillborn child 1687
5. Stillborn son 1687
6. Miscarriage 1688
7. Stillborn 1688
8. William Henry, Duke of Gloucester 1689-1700
9. Lady Mary 1690
10. George 1692
11. Stillborn daughter 1693
12. Stillborn child 1694
13. Stillborn daughter 1695
14. Stillborn son 1696
15. Stillborn twins 1697
16. Stillborn son 1697
17. Stillborn son 1698
18. Stillborn son 1700.

New research suggests that Anne's children could have been saved by an aspirin. Apparently, Anne's blood was too thick to go through the placenta to the child, so the child was weakened and died easily. An aspirin, of course, thins the blood, so . . .

BTW, Anne's sister Mary II had three stillborn children.
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2005, 08:40:38 AM »


Yes,it was a tragic family... This were James's children by Mary Beatrix:

1. Stillborn son 1674.
2. Katherine Laura 1675-1675.
3.Isabella 1676-1681.
4.Charles 1677-1677.
5. Elizabeth Laura 1678-1678.
6. Stillborn dughter 1681.
7. Charlotte Maria 1682-1682.
8. Stillborn son 1683.
9. Stillborn son 1684.
10. James Francis Edward 1688-1766.
12. Louise Marie Thérèse 1692-1712.
13. Stillborn daughter 1695.
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2005, 09:31:40 AM »
Anne was born on the 17th of March 1637 and died on 8th December 1640. I'm sure I read her cause of death somewhere . . . but I forget! She died in Richmond Palace . . . that's about all I know about her . . .
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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2005, 04:33:45 PM »
Too bad that Charles and Henrietta Maria got into so much trouble. They were a cute royla couple. But appreantly , Charles just lost his head. :P
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2005, 04:35:14 PM »
Both metaphorically and literally . . .   ::)
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