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Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« on: August 10, 2005, 04:10:52 PM »
Hi all,

Can anyone provide a list of the Grand Dukes intombed in the P&P Grand Ducal Vault? Also, has anyone been able to take pics of the august persons tombs? If so, can you post them?

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Re: Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2005, 04:33:26 PM »
Photographs of the Grand Ducal Vault are not permited. Below is a photograph of Grand Duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich's tomb. The Grand Ducal Vault was closed to visitors at the time for an extreme renovation of the floor and foundation because of the high water table.

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2005, 04:47:15 PM »
Below is a photograph of the main entrance to the Grand Ducal Vault which is situated far to back of the left side of the Saints Peter and Paul Cathedral.

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2005, 04:51:51 PM »
Hi - I just email you (at your rlbumich@yahoo.com <rlbumich@yahoo.com> address) an excel spreadsheet I did a few years ago of everyone buried in both crypts.  The FA tried to post it once here but I don't think we can post documents as part of this forum.

Also, you may want to be in touch with Arturo @Eurohistory.com.  He has an excellent book on St. Peter and St. Paul.  The only book I know of that is completely devoted to the funeral rites of the Romanovs, their crypts etc.

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Hi all,

Can anyone provide a list of the Grand Dukes intombed in the P&P Grand Ducal Vault? Also, has anyone been able to take pics of the august persons tombs? If so, can you post them?

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Re: Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2005, 07:15:17 PM »
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Photographs of the Grand Ducal Vault are not permited. Below is a photograph of Grand Duke Kyril Vladimirovich's tomb. The Grand Ducal Vault was closed to visitors at the time for an extreme renovation of the floor and foundation because of the high water table.

David

Thanks D :)  BTW from the inscription on the tomb, this looks like the tomb of GD Valdimir A? I may be wrong. Date of death
appears to be 1909? Also, last name looks like Alexandrovich instead of Vadimirovich?


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Re: Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2005, 10:48:53 PM »
Good eyes! The inscription is not easy to read at that angle.

I have corrected the caption on the above photograph. Now that you pointed out that it is Vladimir's tomb rather than Kyril's tomb, I remember that I took a picture of this particular tomb because GD Vladimir was the great-grandfather of a friend of mine. I found a clearer photograph of this tomb should anyone wish a better picture. The one that I posted gives a better idea as to the amount of restoration that was done in the vault.

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Re: Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2005, 07:29:29 AM »
David

Please do post the pic you have :)
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2005, 07:35:43 AM »
yes David, please post when convient.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2005, 08:10:14 PM »
Below is a picture of the rear of the Grand Ducal Vault. The steam in the photograph is from my breath. It was extremely cold the day I was at the Fortress. Just after taking this photograph, I walked out the Neva Gate for a strool on the ice of the Neva River.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2005, 08:20:20 PM »
Below is the best photograph of Grand Duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich's tomb that I have. If I remember correctly, the only lighting in the Vault was a stand of temporary lights for the construction workers, that is beside the slight bit of winter time light coming through the windows. At least the inscription is easier to read.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2005, 08:40:31 PM »
Can someone post all the Romanovs or nobles who are in those tombs?
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2005, 09:39:50 PM »
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Can someone post all the Romanovs or nobles who are in those tombs?


Dear Mandie,

This is a very, very good question.

There are actually two questions here, please...and let me bring you up-to-date.

First there is the question of WHO was actually buried in those tombs at the time they were buried.  There is a general list of those who are there, and I would ask Hikaru to obtain it for us.  It is either in the Synodalii Arxhivii at the Russian Museum, or at the Archives of the Petersburskaya Eparxhii.  Hikaru, prochu vac.

Second, Mandy, although it is not well-known, many of the tombs were actually opened and some were desecrated at the time of the  1917 Revolution.  The tombs were restored later but I have some concerns as to whom was actually replaced where.  It is a ghoulish tale and not one for someone with a weak stomach, such as mine.  It is one of the darker pages of an already dark Soviet history.  Again, Hikaru being on the spot could supply us with much more information here.  Remember -- the Revolution spared nothing, not even the dead.

Hikaru, can you please tell us when the desecration of the tombs happened, when restoral began and whom was responsable for the restoration work (including reburial of the bodies).
 I am personally actually concerned that some of the tombs are ... empty.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2005, 06:34:02 AM »
If it will help - I have a comprehensive listing of who is suppose to be where.  PM me with your normal email address and I'll send the worksheet (it is in microsoft excel) to you.

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Re: Grand Ducal Vault in the P&P Fortress
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2005, 07:18:57 AM »
 ;D Harah!  David & Dominic, at.al  

Thanks for sharing the info. and excel spreadsheet. As AlexP mentioned, some of the tombs were desecrated during the Revolution. I would like to know who is "really" buried where they are supposed to be.

AFA the inscription on GD V.A.'s Tombstone, can someone translate it or have a idea what it might say?
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2005, 08:35:54 AM »
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;D Harah!  David & Dominic, at.al  

Thanks for sharing the info. and excel spreadsheet. As AlexP mentioned, some of the tombs were desecrated during the Revolution. I would like to know who is "really" buried where they are supposed to be.

AFA the inscription on GD V.A.'s Tombstone, can someone translate it or have a idea what it might say?


Send it to me.

And most of the tombs were desecrated during the Revolution if not all.  The bodies were dug up, paraded around Petersburg quite ghoulishly by the Godless mobs, scientific "experts" were performed on some, etc., etc.