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Re: King Henry IV and his wives
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2005, 08:01:26 AM »
She was unique in being a woman in the 16th century who took lovers! Scandal! I think she was sterile, wasn't she, which probably influenced her way of life . . .
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 08:06:16 AM »
Yes, she was sterile. Many people think she had contracted Syphillis because of her teenage love affairs and that she couldn't conceive because of that. Her menstruations were regular, however, and she didn't reach menopause until 48, two years after the annullment of her marriage!
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 08:07:39 AM »
As we have said on the Medici thread, not Catherine's favourite child . . . how did her father, Henri II feel about her? Was she very young when he died?
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2005, 08:38:17 AM »
With her mother she had some sort of love-hate relationship. When Henry II died she was only 6 years old, but in her 'Memoirs' she states that she still reminded him and she remembers a scene in which she is on his knees and he is giving her some advice. He was a loving father, so he must have loved a pretty and intelligent little girl as Margot was.
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Re: King Henry IV and his wives
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2005, 08:40:23 AM »
She wrote memoirs? I wouldn't have though that was common practice back then . . .
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2005, 08:47:27 AM »


19 years 'imprisoned' in a castle leaves you plenty of free time to write whatever you want! But her brother Henri kept a diary, so I don't think it was that uncommon.

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2005, 08:50:00 AM »
No diaries weren't uncommon - Edward VI kept a diary. 19 years? Imprisoned by Henri IV? Please, tell me more!
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2005, 08:55:52 AM »


Yes, she was kept in custody in the castle of Usson after 1586 because of indecent conduct and her plots against her husband and brother. Henri de Navarre, who was then  Henry III's heir kept her a 'prisoner' after having the approval of Henry III and Catherine. It was a provisional imprisonment, but Margot was kept there until 1605. This didn't make her put away her many lovers. She was more discreet but she still kept many lovers in Usson. In 1605 she returned to Paris and became friends of her ex-husband and his new wife and went to live with them!
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Re: King Henry IV and his wives
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2005, 08:57:12 AM »
 :o Marie de Medici must have been very understanding to put up with that!!
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2005, 09:02:08 AM »
Margot was the least of her problems, an aged ex-wife who had become a fat and unattractive woman against Henry's many young and fresh new mistresses. Margot became her best friend and confident and when she died in 1615 she left her possesions and jewels to Marie's children, in particular to Louis XIII.
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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2005, 09:03:43 AM »
That must be a first - two ex wives who got along well!!  ;D

Did Margot receive any sort of allowance from Henri after the divorce? Was her standard of living high?
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2005, 09:14:40 AM »


It was, as one of her conditions for agreeing into the divorce was to retain the title of 'Queen of France' as a honorary title. That gave her some rents and she also won titles and lands in a civil proceeding to her nephew Charles de Valois, bastard of Charles IX. She was quite rich and she mantained a 'Court' of young mignons as her brother Henri III had done 30 years before!
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Re: King Henry IV and his wives
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2005, 09:40:47 AM »
So I guess they referred to her as 'Queen Margot' and Marie as 'the Queen'?
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2005, 09:54:57 AM »
Well, it was a weird situation, but I don't really know what was Margot really styled at Court. For the people she was indeed 'la Reine Margot', but in Court... having to Queens must have been very strange, so she was probably called 'Madame Marguerite' or something of the sort.


I really don't know, lets wait to see if someone can helps us here!
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2005, 10:31:14 AM »
She was the "Queen Marguerite", La reine Margot is a nickname gives by Alexandre Dumas in his book, the name then remained.  ;).
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