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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #345 on: June 12, 2007, 08:20:52 PM »
In the very retouched picture that GDE posted it looks like Queen Alexandra's dress has Russian court style sleeves.

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« Reply #346 on: June 12, 2007, 08:48:23 PM »
Here's the full length dress courtesy of Grandduchessella from the Queen Alexandra Part V thread:


The sleeves do seem to pull elements from the Russian or even Medieval style.

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« Reply #347 on: June 12, 2007, 09:10:08 PM »
Yes...very art novellue ! The Russian influence clearly seen. I guess this is as close as Alix got to a Russian court dress.  ::)

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #348 on: June 12, 2007, 10:15:29 PM »
In the very retouched picture that GDE posted it looks like Queen Alexandra's dress has Russian court style sleeves.

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Maybe she should've chosen her kokoshnik tiara then.  :)
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #349 on: June 12, 2007, 10:34:17 PM »
I think she got one of those as well.  ;)

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #350 on: June 12, 2007, 11:31:18 PM »
I know--that's why I said she should've worn it.  :)
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #351 on: June 13, 2007, 12:06:28 AM »
Maybe she wore it in some private function ? Cannot believe she wore it only once ?  ???

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #352 on: June 13, 2007, 07:48:00 AM »
The kokoshnik? She wore it many times. If you read the post I quoted, I was responding specifically to the mention that the 1913 dress was of Russian style--thus, the kokoshnik tiara would have been appropriate.
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #353 on: June 13, 2007, 10:10:43 AM »
They are one and the same necklace.

The Collier Resille necklace is misidentified in the Menkes book; the one depicted is by Cartier but it is not Alix's.

Flameng has taken some artistic liberties in his depiction of this piece, but there is a photo of Alix weaing the collier which clearly shows that it is the necklace that May is wearing in the above photo.




from a book about CARTIER telling, it was made for Queen Alexandra of Great Britain in 1905
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #354 on: June 13, 2007, 11:24:57 AM »
Thank you GDElla for posting the photo of Alix wearing the Cartier resille necklace.  As you can see, it is the necklace that May is wearing in the photo that I posted earlier and is the necklace that Alix wears in the portrait by Flaemeng.

Eddieboy, May may have altered it for her own use.  In the photo of Alix it does look higher and longer but the design is quite clearly the same.

As for the photo in the Nadelhoffer Cartier book, I think that this is where the confusion arises and is repeated in Menkes' book.  The collier resille in the Cartier book attributed to Alix is not the one that was made for her and must be the source of the mistake.  If memory serves me correctly, Alix's collier is illustrated also, either on the same page or opposite but is misidentified......

As for jewellery that has been broken up and re-used, there is a long tradition in the RF of this happening.  QV, as we know, recycled old pieces for her own use; Alix reset the Oriental circlet with rubies to suit her own taste; May created new pieces and altered her own jewellery as taste and fashions changed and thw present Queen has followed in this tradition.  Her modern ruby and diamond tiara was created in part from other jewels.

The collier resille is very much a fin de siecle piece and would have been out of fashion by the twenties (even though May continued to wear chokers and other such outmoded jewels for years).  The choker itself made a bit of a come back in the 1970's onwards; thus we have seen Pcss Anne, Pcss Diana and other royals wearing historic pieces (such as MF's pearl sapphire and diamond choker and May's Cambridge emerald choker) plus their own modern pieces in this style.  I suspect that either the collier resillie is too big for anyone to carry off successfully or it has been broken up; if anyone had had the style and guts to wear it, I imagine that Diana would have been the obvious candidate (and to the best of my knowledge she never did so.....)
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #355 on: June 13, 2007, 04:38:59 PM »
Extremely impressive!  I suppose it's too large for common use and is in the Buckingham vault. Anyone know of its whereabouts?

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #356 on: June 13, 2007, 07:41:19 PM »
The upper one looks like the piece from "Moulan Rouge" ?  ???

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #357 on: June 14, 2007, 02:02:02 AM »
The upper one looks like the piece from "Moulan Rouge" ?  ???


The bootom one is the original set, later it was sent to Cartier and altered..so the book....It doesn't say if Cartier sold it, or its still in the RF...

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #358 on: June 14, 2007, 04:21:44 AM »
I don't think anyone other than QA can wear that. It requires the grace of a swan to carried it off.  :(

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part II
« Reply #359 on: June 14, 2007, 05:48:52 PM »
Queen Mary could pull it off... maybe.

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