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Mari

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #555 on: October 20, 2007, 01:44:32 AM »
I cannot find the Pamphlets but it is just as well. This is a description and there were worse than this circulated about Marie Antoinette. If these had only been taken more seriously at an earlier date.... google books The French Revolution: Class War or culture Clash? by T. Blanning p. 37



                                http://books.google.com/books?id=KD0wVxs441kC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=marie+antoinette+obscene+pamphlets+and+images&source=web&ots=Lq_XGsd2iT&sig=UM8FkAixJb5Pv2zccJ8A6OZez9w#PPA37,M1








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Eric_Lowe

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #556 on: October 22, 2007, 01:25:52 AM »
MA is no harlot ! She was a frustrated woman in a bad situation, who chose to close her eyes to reality.  :(

Mari

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #557 on: November 01, 2007, 03:13:50 AM »
I found some charming anecdotes on this site about Marie Antoinette:

Marie Antoinette found life with Louis in general and court etiquette in particular tiring and frequently embarked on various excursions. To the profound disgust of the older ladies at court, she often took donkey rides in the Bois de Boulogne.

One day her mount tripped and queen and donkey were both thrown to the ground. The queen, unharmed, remained where she had landed, laughing hysterically. Finally able to speak, she summoned the grand mistress of ceremonies, who presented herself before the queen with significant hauteur.

"Madame," the queen said from her spot on the ground, "I have sent for you to ask you to instruct me regarding the etiquette to be followed when the Queen of France and her donkey have both fallen. Which of them is to get up first?"

http://anecdotage.com/browse.php?category=people&who=Antoinette

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #558 on: November 01, 2007, 04:08:46 AM »
poor Comtesse de Noillas !  :(

russianlover76

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #559 on: November 05, 2007, 11:30:50 PM »
I was wondering if she had a brother and what ever happen to him

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #560 on: November 06, 2007, 02:50:38 AM »
MA ? She had quite a few brothers (Josef II,Leopold II, Ferdinand, Karl & Max...)

Mari

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #561 on: November 06, 2007, 04:42:15 AM »
click on the link to see a picture of the Youngest Brother visiting Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Maximilian_Franz_of_Austria

Archduke Maximilian Franz of Austria

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #562 on: November 06, 2007, 07:37:01 PM »
Yes Max died without issue... :(

KaKu

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #563 on: November 09, 2007, 10:58:46 AM »
Hello everyone, I try to find some libelles of Marie Antoinette (like pictures or just written), but I am unsuccessful
, can you help me please? It is really important to me :-)

KaKu

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #564 on: November 10, 2007, 04:10:01 AM »
There are some ugly pictures, but I don´t from what year they are???
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coquelicot

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #565 on: November 11, 2007, 02:44:47 AM »
You can find pamphlets in Chantal Thomas' "Wicked Queen".

For caricatures, maybe you'll find some more here :
http://maria-antonia.justgoo.com/les-portraits-f22/estampes-t95-15.htm

Mari

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #566 on: November 12, 2007, 05:43:39 AM »
This is a wonderful site for Caricatures. Many are new to me....
.I wish these had been stopped sooner.  Personally,  I feel some of these are so cruel and they did so much damage to Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI.  But as a perpetual  Student of History though, they are important to study ...they explain so much of the cruelty that happened later.

coquelicot

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #567 on: November 12, 2007, 06:38:12 AM »
That's the point of Chantal Thomas' sutdy. You have to draw a line between the real Marie Antoinette and her paper caricature. Unfortunately, these propaganda campaigns were very cleverly made. So that the French people eventually believed that the queen was as shown on those papers. This was a way to attack the monarchy through his weakest link, the Autrian woman but this awful alter ego really led poor Marie Antoinette to the guillotine. Remember her trial ! They accused her of incest for political reasons, a terrible, a montruous accusation for a mother ! Although, they did it. And this accusation was possible only because of those pamphlets and caricatures, that already showed a monstruous image of Marie Antoinette for long. We can say that this accusion of incest proves how much these propaganda campaigns were efficient. Alas !

Mari

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #568 on: November 13, 2007, 05:34:35 AM »
I would like to find the statements of Marie Antoinette during her trial!   Do you have an idea where I can find this?

 I also have been reading "The Last Days of Marie Antoinette" and it contains the Narrative of Madame Bault are you familiar with this and is it accurate? Chantal Thomas is something I will check out....

 Link to the last days of Marie Antoinette

http://books.google.com/books?id=5AowAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=rosalie+lamorliere+servant+to+marie+antoinette&source=web&ots=VKS2wyDITd&sig=1jMKQSY4RdX_8rd9va65frOhVRQ#PPA193,M1

coquelicot

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #569 on: November 13, 2007, 11:49:07 AM »
All those memoires are suspicuous because their authors tried to appear as royalist as they could, afterwards, even Rosalie Lamorliere's narrative must be read cautiously. However, I think that Madame Bault's testimony is quite interesting. I also love Chaveau Lagarde's notes on Marie Antoinette's behaviour during her trial. How clever and sensible she was when summarising the dépositions and discussing them with her lawyers !

You can find Marie Antoinette's trial here :
http://www.royet.org/nea1789-1794/archives/journal_tribunaux/tr_proces_marie-antoinette.htm

It is in French. I don't know where to find some translation of it...