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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #570 on: November 13, 2007, 10:03:45 PM »
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #571 on: November 13, 2007, 10:36:52 PM »
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #572 on: November 14, 2007, 04:02:49 AM »
From what I could understand of it...Marie Antoinette is accused of just about everything! Her answers are very cool aren't they? They consist of No, and I did not know and very brief answers. Most People would get rattled and talk too much. I read that the Lawyer primarily defending her was assigned the case the night before the trial started at 8 a.m. He filed a motion to allow them time to look at all the charges and really try to answer them but the trial started the next morning regardless! He told Marie Antoinette they needed weeks to go through the Charges. 

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #573 on: November 14, 2007, 08:31:20 AM »
That is true, Chauveau Lagarde and Tronson Ducoudray were assigned just before the trial opened. Chauveau Lagarde wrote about it : he was away in the country and had to get back to Paris at once. They both met Marie Antoinette in her cell and told her to ask for a few days more so that they could examine the charges. She first refused to ask those men who condamned the king, her husband, but her lawyers insisted, reminding her of her children, who needed their mother. So, the queen accepted and sent a letter. Her request was not accepted.

Indeed, Marie Antoinette's replies are very short and clever. The most famous one his her indignation when accused of incest : "I did not answer because nature refuses to answer such an inculpation made to a mother ! And I appeal ot all those (mothers) who could be here !". Even the terrible knitters were moved and felt solidare.

A less known reply is about a paper she was accused to have written for money. She asked when it was written. On August 10th, they said. Then, she replied it was impossible, for, on August 10th, she and her family went to the Assembly at 8 in the morning. How could she make a paper for money when she was imprisonned in the logographe cage ! See how sensible, present and clever she was, even so tired !

Then, there are her replies when questionned a few days before her trial. They tried to trap her with questions about royalty and republic, so that she would declare she was a royalist. She never said so, replying that all that mattered for her was the happiness of her son and of the French people, with or without a king.

When they told her that she and her husband would get back on the throne at any cost, even speading the blood of the patriots, she quietly replied : "We did not have to get back on the throne, we were on it". How clever and witty !
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #574 on: November 16, 2007, 04:12:01 PM »
The Last Days of Marie Antoinette from the French of G. Lenotre
quote from the memoirs of Rosalie Lamorliere

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When she rose in the Morning She put on some little low slippers and every second Day I brushed her pretty black prunella shoes whose heels were made a la Saint- Huberty and about two inches high.  Sometimes the gaoler was called away to see about something urgent and indispensable in connection with the prison, and at such times he left me in the Constabulary Officer's charge. One day to my astonishment this officer too up one of the Queen's shoes himself and using the point of his sword scratched off the mildew that came from the damp bricks as I was myself doing with my knife. The imprisoned priests and nobles watched our proceedings from the yard through a grate that divided us from them. Seeing that this officer of Constabulary was a good fellow they implored me to come close to them so that they might see the Queen's shoe near at hand. They took it from me and passing it from hand to hand, they covered it with kisses.
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I found it odd that when Marie Antoinette was brought from the Temple that She had no other change of clothes or under clothes but had two pairs of shoes if you want to call the slippers that! It was not until the 10th day after several times of asking that She was given a change and then I do not find a mention of a change of Dress at this time? Wrapper? Does anyone have a scan of the Wrapper's of that time frame?




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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #575 on: November 16, 2007, 05:57:25 PM »
Indeed, Marie Antoinette had to ask for clothes. Didn't they want to humiliate her ? She was ill and lost blood. She did not receive anything for that. Rosalie had to cut her own linen to give pieces to the queen. And on the very last morning, Marie Antoinette had to undress in front of a gard, who refused to leave.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #576 on: November 17, 2007, 01:23:08 AM »
Yes, they did everything to humiliate Marie Antoinette! Rosalie mentioned in her memoirs that Marie Antoinette was fastidious and looked with approval on her clean, tidy dress so how horrible it must have been for M.A. trying to bathe  under these circumstances! If She was even provided water for this!  Other than the changing of linen on that final day,which the Guard insisted on witnessing is there anything about bathing in other Memoirs or sources?  I know that She did perform a toilette of sorts in the morning and at first I took it for granted they were bringing her Water and letting her go behind the Screen but I have not found anything to verify that yet.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #577 on: November 17, 2007, 04:42:11 AM »
I really don't know, dear, and I also wonder, for it is certain that hygiena was extremely important for Marie Antoinette. She used to nath every day or almost and, if not, to receive "toilette sèche" (dry cleaning with scented linen), she even used a "jet de propreté" (a little fontain) in her water closet. Indeed, Marie Antoinette was a very clean person !

Then, she had these hemorrages... One thing is certain, she was provided with a bidet in the conciergerie, so that we can imagine she benefited of some kind of privacy to use it ! I don't know about her receiving water for cleaning or not... and even about her clothes, the testimonies are full of contradictions.

However, knowing where she was, in the conciergerie, and having seen her poor furniture, we are entitled to imagine how terribly this former queen was treated by the revolution... Humiliated untill the more intimate of her body ! I hate this so much !
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #578 on: November 19, 2007, 12:40:43 AM »
It was hard for a Hapsburg to go through this... :'(

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #579 on: November 19, 2007, 02:12:29 AM »
Yes, I hate the humiliations that She went through also...and uncalled for...like this odd one!   :(

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"When LeBeau entered the Queen's room for the first time Rosalie went with him carrying the soup that Marie Antoinette usually had for Breakfast. The Queen mentioned  pleasantly to Rosalie that She must help her with her hair and "Put up her Chignon." On hearing those words the gaoler ran forward seized the comb and pushing Rosalie aside said "leave it alone, leave it alone that is my business." The queen greatly surprised said with an air of indescribable majesty  "I thank you No"  then rising from her chair she arranged her hair herself and put on her Cap."

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #580 on: November 19, 2007, 02:16:02 AM »
One more thing about the trial I read that they kept Marie Antoinette until four a.m. in the Morning and this makes her answers even more remarkable because by then She had to have been exhausted.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #581 on: November 19, 2007, 12:44:57 PM »
 Marie Antoinette was a strong woman of substance and strength, during her last months of her life.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #582 on: November 19, 2007, 08:15:34 PM »
I think she kept think about her mother and it kept her going... :'(

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #583 on: November 20, 2007, 01:41:57 PM »
She certainly did possess a strength of character that nobody seemed to give her credit for. She endured much especially during the family's imprisonment and Louis XVI subsequent execution.  IMO she wasn't thinking of her mother so much as showing her strength as a mother, a wife and a Queen - some of which she inherited from Maria Theresa and some I feel she possessed on her own due to circumstances.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« Reply #584 on: November 20, 2007, 08:01:28 PM »
All the daughters of Maria Theresia was proud that they were from the House of Hapsburg and daughters of such a fine empress. It certainly gave MA the calm and dignity during the storm.  :(