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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #495 on: October 08, 2004, 03:43:21 PM »
No one's being "demeaned".  I think part of the problem is when members come in and post their theories and ideas that severely deviate from accepted scholarship, that's all they do!  "This is what I think and why I think it" and then can't back it up!  That's not scholarship, that's tabloidesque.

Until the conspiracy enthusiasts get fluent in Russian and German and go research in the original documents (such as what Wilson and King did, and whose scholarship I for one consider the most current and most accurate) or discover something previously overlooked, you *cannot* speak with authority, and neither can you pull anything from Razdinsky, McNeal, and the others and expect to convince anyone.

The kind of research I'm talking about is the province of historians who have been trained to the profession.  There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist and even making grand speculations -- that can actually be a lot of fun -- but it's not serious! If you post *demanding* to be taking seriously you better have something more to back it up, or at least understand that you're going to receive major opposition and not whine about it!

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #496 on: October 08, 2004, 03:45:49 PM »
"JonC" wrote:
So you have come to the conclusion that I'm an heir..OK! you got me!...but? how'd you know I inherited my dad's bills? WOW!...OK!..you must be spychic...tell me since you have 'the' knowledge when will I be rich, and independent?...you don't have to tell me now take your time I can certainly wait!

***Stop getting your hopes up. Never gonna happen.
And:
P.S. Whoever is a 'Serious Claimant' please speak up!

***Sorry. Don't think there's any ventriloquists here to help you out.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #497 on: October 08, 2004, 03:50:34 PM »
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No one's being "demeaned".  I think part of the problem is when members come in and post their theories and ideas that severely deviate from accepted scholarship, that's all they do!  "This is what I think and why I think it" and then can't back it up!  That's not scholarship, that's tabloidesque.

Until the conspiracy enthusiasts get fluent in Russian and German and go research in the original documents (such as what Wilson and King did, and whose scholarship I for one consider the most current and most accurate) or discover something previously overlooked, you *cannot* speak with authority, and neither can you pull anything from Razdinsky, McNeal, and the others and expect to convince anyone.

The kind of research I'm talking about is the province of historians who have been trained to the profession.  There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist and even making grand speculations -- that can actually be a lot of fun -- but it's not serious! If you post *demanding* to be taking seriously you better have something more to back it up, or at least understand that you're going to receive major opposition and not whine about it!


Very well stated, Dashkova.  I agree 100%!

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #498 on: October 08, 2004, 03:51:12 PM »
Hello

  FA has made a valid point --we ought to be discussing any "serious claimants" (if they exist) here...
  I do not believe that there are any survivors and that AA and all other notorious claiments were either frauds or mentally deranged people. Time and the contrived tales that so many claimants make to explaining their magical survival are the reasons for my doubts. It's just not logical! (PS Sorry folks  There is no Father Christmas, Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny! )LOL 8)
  I am willing for the sake of this discussion to examine the books which C1 and Candice have mentioned before, and I intend to explain in some detail why I do -or don't- find their arguements legitimate.

JonC. Spychic ? What is that?

Rskkiya.
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #499 on: October 08, 2004, 06:05:52 PM »
Dashkova.


OK..then, Dashkova says that everyone who hasn't been published please SHUT UP! You can't be heard or listened to because you are not a professional researcher. Your words mean nothing!!! as per Dashkova.

Greg and Penny we all bow down to you because you have been published you alone are legitimate commentators, whatever you say goes..as per Dashkova.


I have a lot of repect for Greg and Penny. Their books are wonderful but please, just because the majority of us haven't written any books on this subject doesn't mean our opinions don't matter....

Dashkova shame on you. JonC.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #500 on: October 08, 2004, 06:11:09 PM »
Thread: Grand Duchess Anastasia / Did The Romanovs Survive:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1074956237;start=0

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On the telegram stuff,  I'd like to continue it on the following URL:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1075191962;start=475#488

on post 453.
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #501 on: October 08, 2004, 06:13:06 PM »
To rskkiya. I was referring to Dashkova.

Hey Dashkova!

WHAT??? You don't know what 'SPYCHIC' means? And I thought you were one...well let me help you..you were supposed to jumble the first two letters around i.e. 'PSYCHIC'. I'm sorry but this doesn't spell nicely for your future of reading into other people's family relationships. tut! tut! too bad! lol. Best regards. JonC.
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #502 on: October 08, 2004, 06:20:38 PM »
Ok

Lets agree to be civil.
If you are going to make glittering generalizations then please explain them and offer facts!
  Some prople here really do believe in the possibility of survivors, some people here are certain of this, and some people here may think that they are the heirs! ;)
  Some people do not believe in survivors or escapees from the execution.
  I am willing to examine the evidence suggested by some 'believers" here.

Noone needs to SHUT UP (crude :-X) JonC, we all need to be a bit more credible in our statements.

Rskkiya

JonC the word is Psychic not Spychic ... People do tend to respect your posts when you can spell!
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Dashkova

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #503 on: October 08, 2004, 06:30:43 PM »
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Dashkova.


OK..then, Dashkova says that everyone who hasn't been published please SHUT UP! You can't be heard or listened to because you are not a professional researcher. Your words mean nothing!!! as per Dashkova.

Greg and Penny we all bow down to you because you have been published you alone are legitimate commentators, whatever you say goes..as per Dashkova.


I have a lot of repect for Greg and Penny. Their books are wonderful but please, just because the majority of us haven't written any books on this subject doesn't mean our opinions don't matter....

Dashkova shame on you. JonC.


You have completely and totally misrepresented everything I wrote in the post you are ranting about.

Shame on you! (For that and a good many other things)

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #504 on: October 08, 2004, 06:32:17 PM »
JonC-typos happily ignored, we all make them. However, clumsy cover-ups are amusing only with cleverness.
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #505 on: October 08, 2004, 06:35:20 PM »
Once again I must ask for a certain level of civil decorum.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #506 on: October 08, 2004, 06:39:21 PM »
And Rsskiya, my dear comrade, that was a tad under the belt, so to say. After all, dyslexia does get the better of us all at times, does it not?
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Robert
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« Reply #507 on: October 08, 2004, 06:45:42 PM »
Rsykkiya  you tell the rest of us  to behave themselves and in the next breath you  throw out things like:

"JonC the word is Psychic not Spychic ... People do tend to respect your posts when you can spell."

Remember, we have many young people reading and writing on this forum and let me tell them,  it's the thought that counts not the spelling, which can be corrected when a person, who notices the misspelling and doesn't wish to embarase you,  can write you a personal messages and, then, the  person who has made the error can  click on the
                                   modify" button
and can correct the spelling.



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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #508 on: October 08, 2004, 06:45:54 PM »
Dear Comrade (and Diety) Hall ;)

To maintain a level of polite decorum in this thread -- I will happily apologize!  :DLOL

Comrade R 8)

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #509 on: October 08, 2004, 06:50:34 PM »
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And Rsskiya, my dear comrade, that was a tad under the belt, so to say. After all, dyslexia does get the better of us all at times, does it not?
Adoringly,
Robert



Then along comes Robert who tells it like it is  "....that was a tad uner the belt..."  and in his next breath talks about "dyslexia".  

ENOUGH!  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :-[  AGRBear
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"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

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